RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 26, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Michael Hodgson said: To my mind you miss a lot of the benefit of steam by travelling behind it - you can see it so much better from the lineside than with your head stuck out of a droplight. But if railtours are confined to winter, there is no fire risk and steam haulage is so much more spectacular when the ground is covered by snow ! Not least the much more spectacular water vapour coming out of the chimney. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieb Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Ironically,the 47 hauling the Dalesman today has broken down on the return journey and the reserve engine has taken over! Would have been so funny if they'd had to call a steam engine from Carnforth to assist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, phil-b259 said: But in this case the hot weather (and thus the steam ban) is, in effect much like ATC being on strike or a Volcano exploding. It is NOT under the control of the TOC - so based on your analogy compensation from the TOC to a steam enthusiast is not due. We're on the same page - the current situation does not guarantee any compensation, whereas it was mentioned that some compensation was offered when Tornado wasn't available due to flats :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted July 26, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2022 If you want virtually guaranteed steam, I would suggest that you only get tickets for travel between November and March. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Siberian Snooper said: If you want virtually guaranteed steam, I would suggest that you only get tickets for travel between November and March. Or visit a heritage railway when the weather is less hot. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 So the next railtour that is supposedly supposed to be using steam (excluding the Jacobite) is the Settle & Carlisle Steam Special on the 30th July. It will be diesel hauled from Coventry to Carnforth where 34067 will take over and head for Carlisle via Shap. It'll then leave Carlisle, passing/stopping at Appleby, Hellifield, Blackburn and Preston. The train will then be taken over by the diesels (WCRC 47/57) to Coventry, via Wolverhampton and Birmingham International. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted July 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: To my mind you miss a lot of the benefit of steam by travelling behind it - you can see it so much better from the lineside than with your head stuck out of a droplight. But if railtours are confined to winter, there is no fire risk and steam haulage is so much more spectacular when the ground is covered by snow ! But with the current model it is only the on-board pax that pay for it. I'm sure a part pax/part crowd-funded experiment could be tried as a funding model to run a tour BUT there would be such a vast number of lineside free-loaders it probably wouldn't be a viable option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted July 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2022 So is there a ban on now or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted July 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, RedgateModels said: So is there a ban on now or not? Steam Dreams to Bath today is 2 x 47s...and some LSL LE moves Between Bishops Lydeard and Bristol have disappeared...suggests so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted July 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2022 But...this was on Dawlish Webcams website according to FB It seems that both Rail Charter companies concerned are confident there will be two steam hauled specials running this weekend. On Saturday 70000 Britannia will be powering the English Riviera Express, (which starts from Kettering diesel hauled) from Norton Fitzwarren near Taunton to Kingswear. Times through Dawlish are 12.03pm and the return at 5.52pm. On Sunday we welcome on the first of three occasions, the return of LMS 6233 Duchess of Sutherland powering the Royal Duchy from Bristol Temple Meads to Plymouth, where a diesel locomotive takes over to take the train on to Par in Cornwall. Times at Dawlish are 10.44am and return at 6.27pm. Latest news is that the diesel will be included in the train formation to assist to lessen the chance of causing lineside fires. It is likely the same will apply to Britannia on Saturday. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted July 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, Gilbert said: But...this was on Dawlish Webcams website according to FB It seems that both Rail Charter companies concerned are confident there will be two steam hauled specials running this weekend. On Saturday 70000 Britannia will be powering the English Riviera Express, (which starts from Kettering diesel hauled) from Norton Fitzwarren near Taunton to Kingswear. Times through Dawlish are 12.03pm and the return at 5.52pm. On Sunday we welcome on the first of three occasions, the return of LMS 6233 Duchess of Sutherland powering the Royal Duchy from Bristol Temple Meads to Plymouth, where a diesel locomotive takes over to take the train on to Par in Cornwall. Times at Dawlish are 10.44am and return at 6.27pm. Latest news is that the diesel will be included in the train formation to assist to lessen the chance of causing lineside fires. It is likely the same will apply to Britannia on Saturday. Having said that Saturday is a strike day so maybe Britannia won't be out anyway..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gilbert said: Having said that Saturday is a strike day so maybe Britannia won't be out anyway..... As far as I'm aware, there are seven or eight companies striking including TfL but Northern Rail and TransPennine Express aren't striking. Edited July 28, 2022 by 6990WitherslackHall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 hours ago, RedgateModels said: So is there a ban on now or not? I've mentioned previously that Standard 4 76079 is working trains from Grosmont to Whitby. If the ban was still on, 76079 wouldn't be running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted July 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, 6990WitherslackHall said: I've mentioned previously that Standard 4 76079 is working trains from Grosmont to Whitby. If the ban was still on, 76079 wouldn't be running. It probably varies by route/area rainfall. As an example we have had no appreciable rain here on the Island for a couple of months but I was looking at the local on-line news for my home City (York) only a couple of hours back and Tadcaster had a short deluge of half an hour that was so heavy it created flash flooding in the High St. If the Esk Valley has had a good wetting it doesn't mean other areas have also had it - I would not expect any Dorset Coast Express through the New Forest to have a steamer on it for a while yet. Edited July 29, 2022 by john new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2022 Just read on the local papers website that the North Norfolk railway is running steam this weekend. Absolutely ridiculous there has been absolutely no rain for weeks and the ground is completely parched. I've reported my concerns to the fire service but I'm not expecting a change. Sheringham carnival has cancelled the firework display and other events because of unacceptable fire risk but NNR management obviously know better 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 23 hours ago, 6990WitherslackHall said: I've mentioned previously that Standard 4 76079 is working trains from Grosmont to Whitby. Speaking of the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, 31128 arrived at Grosmont yesterday via the national network. It's now hauling trains from Pickering to Grosmont alongside 47077 and 37264. Again, 76079 is working trains from Grosmont to Whitby and back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted July 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2022 36 minutes ago, 6990WitherslackHall said: Speaking of the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, 31128 arrived at Grosmont yesterday via the national network. It's now hauling trains from Pickering to Grosmont alongside 47077 and 37264. Again, 76079 is working trains from Grosmont to Whitby and back. Which implies that the Risk Assessment for the Esk Valley section indicates a much lower risk than that for the farmed section just south of Goathland (previous fire history) running over the open moorland and on down Newtondale through the woodland areas. Out of curiosity has 76079 had extra fire prevention meshing or similar added? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, john new said: Which implies that the Risk Assessment for the Esk Valley section indicates a much lower risk than that for the farmed section just south of Goathland (previous fire history) running over the open moorland and on down Newtondale through the woodland areas. Out of curiosity has 76079 had extra fire prevention meshing or similar added? There's not much in the way of serious gradients between Grosmont and Whitby, and there's been quite a bit of rainfall this week as well. Edited July 29, 2022 by Boris Filth reduction 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, john new said: Out of curiosity has 76079 had extra fire prevention meshing or similar added? Not that I know of. I know that fire con has occasionally been following the locomotive. I don't know if it has had spark arrestors fitted inside the smokebox or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Boris said: [...] between Grosmont and Shitby [...] Typo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 On 26/07/2022 at 18:28, Siberian Snooper said: If you want virtually guaranteed steam, I would suggest that you only get tickets for travel between November and March. I think March is somewhere in Cambridgeshire, but where is November? :-) It hasn't rained much in Essex recently and the Epping Ongar railway have self imposed a ban on Steam at the moment. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 hours ago, 6990WitherslackHall said: Typo? Or a Freudian slip? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, H2O said: I think March is somewhere in Cambridgeshire, but where is November? :-) Sadly, no such place exists but there is May in Oklahoma and June* in New South Wales in Australia. There's also 6th of October in Egypt (I'm not kidding!) *It's actually Junee but it's close enough for me. Edited July 30, 2022 by 6990WitherslackHall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted July 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2022 FWIW Duchess of Sutherland is supposed to be being moved with a support coach and Class 47 diesel from Rugby to Bristol today in preparation for a tour to Cornwall tomorrow. Tour tomorrow is now advertised as "assisted throughout by a diesel". https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U66296/2022-07-30/detailed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted July 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2022 and Britannia is supposed to join the LSL English Riviera at Norton Fitzwarren today. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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