Rapido OO Gauge GWR 44xx/45xx/4575 Small Prairie

[57xx]

On 04/12/2023 at 15:54, rprodgers said:

The issue of GW paint is contentious some authorities state the GW green pre 1928 was a darker shade, including the paint manufacturers- Precision, Railmatch and Phoenix.

 

Precision and Phoenix being one and the same. Just in a different order.😉

[shropshirelad]

Haven't read all the pages on subject of 44xx tanks but is 4400 having a curved fall to the front footplate as it was the only one of its class. All rest had square drops. Have ordered 2 for my Much Wenlock to Craven Arms branch. 4400,4401,4403,4406 and 4409 were all Wellington 84H locos and worked the branch

[Miss Prism]

http://www.gwr.org.uk/no-small-prairies.html#:~:text=4407 and 4410 gained curved footplate drops

[Mikkel]

Thanks Miss P. These background notes about forthcoming RTR stock on gwr.org.uk are useful, and a neat way of keeping the old Web 1.0 site current.

[RCP]

Can anyone tell me what axel diameter these have for possible conversion to P4

[rprodgers]

@RapidoCorbs will the coupling rods/motions etc. on the 44XX be all metal?   

Having recently examined your 15xx tank I see a number of the smaller linkages appear to be plastic.

[Moria15]

Greetings all.

 

Apologies if what I ask has been answered but I have searched.  I think I am going for 4408 as my period is 1919/20 as it is inside pipes and tapered chimney, but I am confused about the paint scheme.  In my period should I be looking at fully lined with Great (crest) Western as the livery but the paint on both 4400 and 4408 look like post 22. If so I guess I am going to either have to learn to paint or find a painter :)

 

Regards

 

 Graham

[RapidoCorbs]

I can't immediately recall any small prairies in GREAT (crest) WESTERN with extended bunkers - I think when they were elongated/enheightened they were turned out in GREAT WESTERN (no crest) livery.

[4069]

No small prairies were lined out after WW1 (until BR days, that is)

[Moria15]

22 minutes ago, RapidoCorbs said:

I can't immediately recall any small prairies in GREAT (crest) WESTERN with extended bunkers - I think when they were elongated/enheightened they were turned out in GREAT WESTERN (no crest) livery.

Awesome, thanks..  I have seen the pic of 4409 in 1920 as per delivered so in my fictional world I’ll assume 4408 was also extended by then to fit my layout.  So it may well be that my 44xx is in plain Great Western, but the 45xx when it comes will be in fully lined Great (crest) Western as per pictures in 1914 and not repainted during wartime.

 

Graham

 

Edited March 8 by Moria15

[Miss Prism]

1 hour ago, Moria15 said:

I think I am going for 4408 as my period is 1919/20 as it is inside pipes and tapered chimney

 

Thin parallel chimney would be normal for 1919/20.

 

[Miss Prism]

Undated, but typical early to late-20s. 4407 at Newton, with extended bunker, no cab shutters, front struts fitted, V-shaped cab rainstrip, and looks like a flush-riveted front smokebox ring.

[Hal Nail]

31 minutes ago, Miss Prism said:

 

If someone can find me a photo that clear of a 45xx with a rear ATC shoe, that would be marvellous! I strongly suspect they would remain mounted inboard of the extension but I haven't managed to prove it!

[Miss Prism]

 

I've got a suspicion the positioning of the ATC varied a bit across the class.

 

 

(Westbury, 1958)

[Miss Prism]

 

(St Blazey, 1955)

[Hal Nail]

2 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

 

(St Blazey, 1955)

Thanks. It's not 100% conclusive but that looks like it's still in the original position where it would have been bolted to the back of the original buffer beam pre-extension - if the packing piece is solid that would make sense obviously.

 

Also pretty big lumps of coal!

Edited March 9 by Hal Nail

[Miss Prism]

Yes, big coal lumps, also noticeable in those pics that both 4572 and 4526 take advantage of the lamp shield to coal to the max.

 

[Chris Chewter]

A few photos of the 44xx EP on the Carterton layout at Ally Pally on Sunday.