Hornby, A Model World. Series 2.

[RedgateModels]

8 minutes ago, HExpressD said:

 

A voice over mentioning safety valves when cylinder drain cocks go off 

 

 

I noticed that too, it was met with the REOSWMBO when I pointed it out ......

 

Rolling Eyes of She Who Must Be Obeyed

[The Stationmaster]

On 21/02/2023 at 22:31, Mike Bellamy said:

 

Some may recall a series of four programmes by Guy Martin last year where he was racing different vehicles such as three wheelers in Italy and Volvos in Sweden. A friend of my son built the Land Rover that he raced and from what I have been told (before the broadcast) most of that was filmed specifically for the TV - sometimes several times until the producers got the shots they wanted. Although not exactly scripted, they knew beforehand a general idea of who was going to say what. The part where Guy bought the vehicle and paid for the modifications was all fiction as the builder had kept the Land Rover and after the time trials etc, it was kept hidden in his workshop just a couple of miles away from where I live until the programme was first broadcast - then the next day he had photos on Facebook of him sitting in the vehicle outside the village pub. So another example of 'Made for TV Entertainment' . . . . . . 

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And of course the same happens with The Hornby Show/.  Yes 'Lion' leapt into life  last year in something of a rush - although undoubtedly in the longer term Hornby programme but I would be amazed if development work on the 9F hadn't started during the previous year (if not earlier).  Thus timescales of what is in the programme don't necessarily relate to real life but they are included as part of the entertainment,

 

After all Hornby are hardly like to want to have broadcast early thus year information about models in relatively early stages of development which might help encourage competitors working on similar subjects.   And equally the pace at which some of these projects proceed is I suspect somewhat longer than the time allocated to the shooting and editing schedules.  It's a tv programme and for me that says it all - it's there to entertain us - that's all (more or less)

Edited February 23, 2023 by The Stationmaster
correct typos

[Pint of Adnams]

1 hour ago, Huw Griffiths said:

As for what actually gets shown, it gives a reasonable (and fair) picture of the sort of stuff that goes on during development of new models - stuff like that.

 

Essentially, it's a mixture of PR and entertainment - with a liberal sprinkling of the general "flavour" of the sort of actions and decisions that need to happen. There'll be "spin" - fair enough. Some "meetings" etc are also likely to be set up "for the cameras".

But the impression given is far removed from the 'old ways' described in 'the first ten years' - the comparisons between then and now are enlightening and, I suspect, redolent of the way the business world has changed in the 60 years since it was written, not least because at that time it was all domestic content.

 

Back then, for example, the 'sign off' process involved the heads of Management, Development, Sales, Buying, Production, Servicing, Publicity, and Costing. First the new model must be wanted by the owners and buyers of Tri-ang railways - deciding to make one means that others are not made. For the heads of departments the new model must be exciting, different from existing ones - little point in making a model which at first glance is almost the same as one they already have. It must extend the range; if well supplied with steam express locos the new one should be a shunter perhaps, or a diesel electric.

 

And of course no CAD but rows of drawing benches, reuse of existing components, and manufacturing down to a cost threshold.

[Phil Parker]

9 minutes ago, Pint of Adnams said:

But the impression given is far removed from the 'old ways' described in 'the first ten years' - the comparisons between then and now are enlightening and, I suspect, redolent of the way the business world has changed in the 60 years since it was written, not least because at that time it was all domestic content.

 

That's because the world has changed a lot in 60 years. Also, the TV show isn't going to sit in on all those meetings, not unless it wants the viewers dropping off with boredom!

 

I wonder which is more accurate - the TV show, or the entirely Hornby produced "First ten years" book?

[Chris M]

7 hours ago, Legend said:

You have to think though . If a lot of this is made up and we can recognise it as such , but others not in our sphere of expertise don't.  What facts outside our sphere are we believing which are made up ? What items of misinformation are we not picking up on ?

 

Its a slippery slope 

 

As folk say , pleasant telly . 

I used to thing The Dukes of Hazzard was far fetched entertainment until I visted some of the more remote spots in the USA. Now I realise it was actually a documentary.

[Phil Parker]

My favourite "Dukes of Hazard" moment was on the BBC website years ago where they said something along the lines of, "sometimes the dispute was resoved with a car chase."

 

Young Phil doesn't remember those episodes where the dispute was resolved through a long series of negotiations... 😁

[blueeighties]

I wonder if they are going to film the boardroom reaction to the Cavalex class 60 announcement for series 3 😆

[Pint of Adnams]

1 hour ago, Phil Parker said:

 

That's because the world has changed a lot in 60 years. Also, the TV show isn't going to sit in on all those meetings, not unless it wants the viewers dropping off with boredom!

 

I wonder which is more accurate - the TV show, or the entirely Hornby produced "First ten years" book?

That's amazingly perspicacious, seeing that is the point I was trying to make - well done!

 

And Hornby had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with 'first ten years book' - it was still Meccano, Hornby, Hornby Dublo and Dinky Toys at Binns Road, Liverpool. And in those days there was no 'spin', it was entirely factual - think of the contemporary BBC and Pathe News reporting, the quality of the broadsheets, and publications like Meccano Magazine, so that's another social quality that's been lost in the last 60 years.

[Darius43]

39 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

My favourite "Dukes of Hazard" moment was on the BBC website years ago where they said something along the lines of, "sometimes the dispute was resoved with a car chase."

 

Young Phil doesn't remember those episodes where the dispute was resolved through a long series of negotiations... 😁

…or the episodes of the A-Team where the dispute was resolved over coffee and croissants instead of the baddies locking them in a workshop with machine tools, welding gear and a supply of armour plate…

 

Cheers

 

Darius

[Darius43]

3 minutes ago, Pint of Adnams said:

 think of the contemporary BBC and Pathe News reporting

As in: “Please tell us about your latest success, Prime Minister”.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

[Invicta]

17 hours ago, meatloaf said:

Never seen a Brit at the railway museum. When i last went Evening star had a class 20 one side and Ellerman lines, an SR pacific, the other side. Ellerman lines is the other loco that was in shot. Its also been sectioned so you can see all the bits inside it.

At risk of dragging the thread into discussing the NRM, although the National Collection includes a Brit ("Oliver Cromwell"), I don't think it's ever been seen in the NRM? Think it went straight from BR service to Bressingham, and then after a spell on the main line in the early 2000's, to the GCR at Loughborough?

[Pacific231G]

1 hour ago, Chris M said:

I used to thing The Dukes of Hazzard was far fetched entertainment until I visted some of the more remote spots in the USA. Now I realise it was actually a documentary.

And you got out alive! 

I did learn, while driving across Oklahoma in the early 1990s with the car radio on, that if you are at school and your science teacher starts telling you about evolution then you should forgive them!  They did though seem to have both kinds of music ...Country AND Western. 

[Butler Henderson]

Thinking about it SK in the NRM with Evening Star was probably a made for TV bit which happeed at the same time as the prototype TT Scotsman bit as otherwise it seems  bit pointless in the developemnt of the model.

[Legend]

17 hours ago, blueeighties said:

I wonder if they are going to film the boardroom reaction to the Cavalex class 60 announcement for series 3 😆

 When Simon says "I've had an inkling.......................the people who were doing the super new revised HST added eight wheels and turned it into a class 60"  We must compete. Its Iconic and one of ours (designer in background mumbles  actually Lima made the first one). Detail Detail Detail says Simon . We will release it in every paint scheme imaginable and take £50 off (probably he wont say that last bit - as I've never really seen Hornby prices go down).  I want it next Monday . Lets go into production.

 

I know my time is wasted - I could have been a script writer , especially on this program. 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Legend

[RedgateModels]

Watched it last night, was left with quite a strong desire to buy a 9F .....

 

I resisted though, as my car and Scottish Power are eating up all my spare at the moment (and more)

Edited February 23, 2023 by RedgateModels

[geoffers]

1 hour ago, RedgateModels said:

Watched it last night, was left with quite a strong desire to buy a 9F .....

 

I resisted though, as my car and Scottish Power are eating up all my spare at the moment (and more)

Me too, though in my case British Gas.

 

[D9020 Nimbus]

4 hours ago, Legend said:

 When Simon says "I've had an inkling.......................the people who were doing the super new revised HST added eight wheels and turned it into a class 60"  We must compete. Its Iconic and one of ours (designer in background mumbles  actually Lima made the first one). Detail Detail Detail says Simon . We will release it in every paint scheme imaginable and take £50 off (probably he wont say that last bit - as I've never really seen Hornby prices go down).  I want it next Monday . Lets go into production.

 

I know my time is wasted - I could have been a script writer , especially on this program. 

How about a Hornby Railroad class 60, from the old Lima tooling, in all the same liveries that Cavalex is doing?

[Metr0Land]

I have to say I generally let the details wash over me and watch the prog as a whole and I find it quite enjoyable (not entirely fashionable on this thread).  What I do find very interesting is that 'all members of the public' who've commented on it to me, have spoken very favourably about it, and seeing the development process of new trains/planes/automobiles, so I feel it is working well on a wider level and showing our hobbies in a good light. 

[Chrisr40]

1 hour ago, D9020 Nimbus said:

How about a Hornby Railroad class 60, from the old Lima tooling, in all the same liveries that Cavalex is doing?

If they use a Hornby power bogie like in the 59 then that would sound good to me too.

[2mmMark]

Looking forward to the episode that features this limited edition multiple unit.

[The Stationmaster]

21 hours ago, D9020 Nimbus said:

How about a Hornby Railroad class 60, from the old Lima tooling, in all the same liveries that Cavalex is doing?

You don't need a crystal ball or tea leaves to come out with that prediction.

[The Stationmaster]

21 hours ago, Metr0Land said:

I have to say I generally let the details wash over me and watch the prog as a whole and I find it quite enjoyable (not entirely fashionable on this thread).  What I do find very interesting is that 'all members of the public' who've commented on it to me, have spoken very favourably about it, and seeing the development process of new trains/planes/automobiles, so I feel it is working well on a wider level and showing our hobbies in a good light. 

Well apart from occasionally falling asleep during the boring bits (which I didn't last night) I regard it as tv entertainment which fortunately  isn't aimed at a specialised audience and comes with enough carefully arranged faked scenes and occasional catch phrases to make it amusing to watch.

 

And we had a genuine bonus last night in getting an idea of how SK probably acquired his seemingly insatiable appetite for Hornby to produce a never ending succession of East Coast pacifics.  If he saw 9Fs on fish trains then he probably witnessed some of the pacific action on the route.  Bit of shame really that he didn't grow up in the Vale of the White Horse but I suppose I too am entitled to my own little bit of bias and Hornby have done us a fairly good job on big Western  engines with some notable exceptions

[Legend]

4 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

Well apart from occasionally falling asleep during the boring bits (which I didn't last night) I regard it as tv entertainment which fortunately  isn't aimed at a specialised audience and comes with enough carefully arranged faked scenes and occasional catch phrases to make it amusing to watch.

 

And we had a genuine bonus last night in getting an idea of how SK probably acquired his seemingly insatiable appetite for Hornby to produce a never ending succession of East Coast pacifics.  If he saw 9Fs on fish trains then he probably witnessed some of the pacific action on the route.  Bit of shame really that he didn't grow up in the Vale of the White Horse but I suppose I too am entitled to my own little bit of bias and Hornby have done us a fairly good job on big Western  engines with some notable exceptions

I’d have  hoped for Simon McKohler brought up somewhere in Scotland ……iconic 

[melmerby]

Hasn't anybody noticed the usual disclaimer in the credits?

 

"All events depicted are entirely ficticious"

😆

[Right Away]

Am I in the minority who cannot help but wince when narrators are heard referring to a steam locomotive on its own (in this case the 9F) as a “train”? 😴