Rapido Stirling Single No.1 (OO) with Sturrock tender

[RThompson]

22 minutes ago, JCL said:

 

I'm a little late, but how about this Graham?

 

 

Having actually operated a p4 model of one of these scratch built by bill at the former Norwood model railway club, to see a live steam version is truly amazing.

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

 

 

4 hours ago, Georgevonse said:

What impact will the closure of Hattons Model Railways have...

You need this thread for discussion of the detail:

Broadly, less impact than the major changes to retailing already caused by online selling within the UK. 

[Fair Oak Junction]

4 hours ago, Georgevonse said:

What impact will the closure of Hattons Model Railways have on the availability and pricing of their exclusive products, and how will it affect the overall model rail industry?

 

Are you going to post this same question in all the product threads, where the question is totally irrelevant? This has the whiff of a bot about it.

[Phil Parker]

5 minutes ago, Fair Oak Junction said:

 

Are you going to post this same question in all the product threads, where the question is totally irrelevant? This has the whiff of a bot about it.

 

No, because Georgevonse has been escorted from the building.

[gr.king]

11 hours ago, JCL said:

 

I'm a little late, but how about this Graham?

 

 

Thoroughly impressive miniature engineering, although I wonder if the real things ever attained that sort of blurred rod-twiddling speed? I'm not sure I'd want to be nearby if one did!  No doubt 50 or so loaded coal wagons behind the tender would calm it down a bit.

[gr.king]

On 15/02/2024 at 00:00, JCL said:

 

I'm a little late, but how about this Graham?

 

 

Still impressive, but after viewing again, this time listening too, I question two points: Style of smokebox door - too modern for the Sturrock / Stirling eras?  Did Sacré of the MS&LR really come up with the original steam tender idea? According to a long article I read on the history of articulated locos and booster devices, neither Sturrock nor Sacré were the very first to equip a loco with a steam driven tender.

Edited February 24 by gr.king

[JCL]

Hi Graham, you're keeping us in suspense! If it wasn't them in the library with the lead pipe, who was it? :)

[gr.king]

I didn't realise I had you on tenterhooks.

 

An article in March 2017 Backtrack attributes the origin of the steam tender to one Monsieur Verpilleux, whose design was built for the St. Etienne to Lyons Railway in 1843.

[Bucoops]

40 minutes ago, gr.king said:

I didn't realise I had you on tenterhooks.

 

An article in March 2017 Backtrack attributes the origin of the steam tender to one Monsieur Verpilleux, whose design was built for the St. Etienne to Lyons Railway in 1843.

 

Tenderhooks, surely?

[Fair Oak Junction]

Nope, definitely "tenterhooks" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenterhook 😉

[Bucoops]

8 hours ago, Fair Oak Junction said:

Nope, definitely "tenterhooks" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenterhook 😉

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satiric_misspelling 😉

 

Closest I could find to describe the intention.

[Fair Oak Junction]

Just now, Bucoops said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satiric_misspelling 😉

 

Closest I could find to describe the intention.

 

Fair enough. Sadly a lot of people these days actually think it's tenderhooks so I'm never sure 😄

[JCL]

A pub I used to frequent when I lived in the UK - https://www.facebook.com/rackandtenter/

[chris p bacon]

14 hours ago, JCL said:

A pub I used to frequent when I lived in the UK - https://www.facebook.com/rackandtenter/

You actually stepped outside of Islington……that was brave 😀

[Tiny151]

Great to see the Single samples out over the weekend.

 

One for @RapidoCorbs here. As it sounds like they're a little way off yet, I wondered if there's a chance for a tweak to the cab front lining on this second run? 

 

Comparing to the real loco, there's a thick band where the boiler transitions to the cab and lining to the spectacle plate which intersects this. The lining at the base of the cab also seems to cut off early, though that's presumably due to some manufacturing constraint?

 

 

It's not massively noticeable but does finish everything off nicely, so thought it worth a mention in case useful. I also note that the mini splasher for the trailing wheel set is green on top rather than black!

 

 

[Chas Levin]

15 hours ago, Tiny151 said:

Great to see the Single samples out over the weekend.

 

One for @RapidoCorbs here. As it sounds like they're a little way off yet, I wondered if there's a chance for a tweak to the cab front lining on this second run? 

 

Comparing to the real loco, there's a thick band where the boiler transitions to the cab and lining to the spectacle plate which intersects this. The lining at the base of the cab also seems to cut off early, though that's presumably due to some manufacturing constraint?

 

 

It's not massively noticeable but does finish everything off nicely, so thought it worth a mention in case useful. I also note that the mini splasher for the trailing wheel set is green on top rather than black!

 

 

 

There's also the thick black band inside the thinner white surrounding the spectacles, which I'd suggest is even more noticeable.

[gr.king]

I'd be keener for every example to have the base of the cabside meeting the running plate without a gap, along a perfectly horizontal line, with no evidence of parts that don't quite fit being forced together.

[chris p bacon]

I can’t decide between the large Stirling tender or the smaller Stirling tender.😉

[2750Papyrus]

A good big'un always beats a good little'un.

[zr2498]

On 14/02/2024 at 21:05, RapidoCorbs said:

 

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I still have the Single from the original production. Runs perfectly and now has the Hattons Genesis coaches for company.

I understand the sound files were derived from archived footage, however as the decoder will move to an ESU V5, will the re-run have upgraded sound files and speaker?

No reply - looks as though I need to contact the company directly!

Edited April 15 by zr2498
Extra comment

[RapidoCorbs]

The upcoming Stirling Single model features an updated sound project thanks to an ESU Loksound V5 decoder.
Here is a video to demonstrate the various sound functions. This model is due to be delivered in Autumn 2024, you can order one here:
https://rapidotrains.co.uk/gnr-stirling-single-no-1/

Function List:
F0    Firebox Glow
F1    Sound on/off
F2    Brake Function
F3    Playable Whistle
F4    Short Whistle
F5    Guard’s Whistle (with answering whistle)
F6    Heavy Mode
F7    Train Set Mode
F8    Coupling/Uncoupling
F9    Coal Shovelling
F10  Coasting
F11  Injector
F12  Blower
F13  Safety Valves
F14  Drain cocks
F15  Ejector Sound OFF
F16  Water Tank Filling
F17  Flange Squeal/Track Creak
F18  Sound Fade Out
F19  Shunt Mode

The whistle sound on the 2nd production run of Stirling Singles has been changed to an archive recording of the real locomotive. If you wish to, you can change the whistle sound back to that used on the first production run by changing CV163 to 1.   To return to the default whistle (archive recording), change CV163 to 0.

The Guards Whistle plays when F5 is pressed but when released, an acknowledgment whistle from the locomotive will play.

F7 Train Set Mode sharpens up the responses of your locomotive, this is to simulate DC operation on DCC to give a ‘train set’ feel to driving your Stirling Single.

F14 Drain cocks and F17 Flange Squeal/Track Creak will work only when running at low speed, as your model accelerates they will mute above a certain speed step.

F19 Shunt Mode limits the top speed and sharpens up the responses of your locomotive when activated and make it easier to perform shunting operations such as making up trains.

 

 

 

On 08/04/2024 at 14:59, zr2498 said:

I still have the Single from the original production. Runs perfectly and now has the Hattons Genesis coaches for company.

I understand the sound files were derived from archived footage, however as the decoder will move to an ESU V5, will the re-run have upgraded sound files and speaker?

No reply - looks as though I need to contact the company directly!

 

Apologies I completely missed your question. Hopefully the above video explains that yes the V5 has altered sound files compared to the first run.

 

The whistle on the latest run is derived from archive footage rather than the 'best match' of the first run, but if desired can be switched to the same whistle as the first run.

[zr2498]

On 12/07/2024 at 08:32, RapidoCorbs said:

The upcoming Stirling Single model features an updated sound project thanks to an ESU Loksound V5 decoder.
Here is a video to demonstrate the various sound functions. This model is due to be delivered in Autumn 2024, you can order one here:
https://rapidotrains.co.uk/gnr-stirling-single-no-1/

Function List:
F0    Firebox Glow
F1    Sound on/off
F2    Brake Function
F3    Playable Whistle
F4    Short Whistle
F5    Guard’s Whistle (with answering whistle)
F6    Heavy Mode
F7    Train Set Mode
F8    Coupling/Uncoupling
F9    Coal Shovelling
F10  Coasting
F11  Injector
F12  Blower
F13  Safety Valves
F14  Drain cocks
F15  Ejector Sound OFF
F16  Water Tank Filling
F17  Flange Squeal/Track Creak
F18  Sound Fade Out
F19  Shunt Mode

The whistle sound on the 2nd production run of Stirling Singles has been changed to an archive recording of the real locomotive. If you wish to, you can change the whistle sound back to that used on the first production run by changing CV163 to 1.   To return to the default whistle (archive recording), change CV163 to 0.

The Guards Whistle plays when F5 is pressed but when released, an acknowledgment whistle from the locomotive will play.

F7 Train Set Mode sharpens up the responses of your locomotive, this is to simulate DC operation on DCC to give a ‘train set’ feel to driving your Stirling Single.

F14 Drain cocks and F17 Flange Squeal/Track Creak will work only when running at low speed, as your model accelerates they will mute above a certain speed step.

F19 Shunt Mode limits the top speed and sharpens up the responses of your locomotive when activated and make it easier to perform shunting operations such as making up trains.

 

 

 

 

Apologies I completely missed your question. Hopefully the above video explains that yes the V5 has altered sound files compared to the first run.

 

The whistle on the latest run is derived from archive footage rather than the 'best match' of the first run, but if desired can be switched to the same whistle as the first run.

Thanks for the update. I have the original production run Stirling Single with sound. That has an ESU V4 decoder. Can the old model have a new V5 decoder fitted as an upgrade. That is, is the PC board compatible for a straight change to 21 pin V5. I could get the old decoder reblown to another loco. The advantage of V5s is the ability to change bass and treble settings so that would be ideal in the Single.

Is the function F2 brake and active brake. That is does it slow the loco as well as giving the sound application sound?

I have seen a link to the decoders on Rapidoweb site.

Is this one with the new sound files?

 

 

Edited July 15 by zr2498
Extra question.

[RapidoCorbs]

17 hours ago, zr2498 said:

Thanks for the update. I have the original production run Stirling Single with sound. That has an ESU V4 decoder. Can the old model have a new V5 decoder fitted as an upgrade. That is, is the PC board compatible for a straight change to 21 pin V5. I could get the old decoder reblown to another loco. The advantage of V5s is the ability to change bass and treble settings so that would be ideal in the Single.

Is the function F2 brake and active brake. That is does it slow the loco as well as giving the sound application sound?

I have seen a link to the decoders on Rapidoweb site.

Is this one with the new sound files?

 

 

 

Hello, here are the answers in order:

 

The DCC chip is a straight swap. However, the motor supplier and motor changed in between the first and second production runs, which was one of the reasons to change the sound file. The new file is compatible with the old motor, but it may not perform exactly the same as a second-run example.

 

Yes F2 is an active brake and will stop the loco.

 

The version listed on the website is the V5 and has the new sound files.

 

[zr2498]

20 hours ago, RapidoCorbs said:

 

Hello, here are the answers in order:

 

The DCC chip is a straight swap. However, the motor supplier and motor changed in between the first and second production runs, which was one of the reasons to change the sound file. The new file is compatible with the old motor, but it may not perform exactly the same as a second-run example.

 

Yes F2 is an active brake and will stop the loco.

 

The version listed on the website is the V5 and has the new sound files.

 

Thanks. Decoder ordered.

Guess there will be a bit of motor tuning to do, but should not be a problem (I hope).