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[great northern]

I shall now attempt to show the formation of the 1040 Newcastle, and hopefully in the correct order. Now told it must be in two parts, so here are the first eight cars.

 

 

[great northern]

And the rest... No RKs shown in Tyneside trains on weekdays, nor all door Gresleys.

 

 

 

 

 

[davidw]

Fascinating train composition. Are the couplings hunt? Or other?

[great northern]

1 minute ago, davidw said:

Fascinating train composition. Are the couplings hunt? Or other?

I'd say 90+% of my couplings are Hunts now, and in this formation it is 100%. 13 on, some kit built, and the loco (Hornby) took them without a problem.

[great northern]

12 hours ago, trw1089 said:

I’m really enjoying this Saturday timetable, just makes you realise how different the services were then with such a focus on the seaside workings.  It also brings up the age old issue of bias in photography, if most photographers were out on weekends, the pictures we often see don’t necessarily give us the best indication of the weekday scene (and thanks to Gilbert for pointing this out to me some time ago).

 

Cheers

Tony

By sheer coincidence, a full formation was next up, and it does indeed confirm that weekends were very different. One thing I have noticed is that Thompson CKs are specified in a large number of trains, often two of them. I've just run a West Riding train made up BSK 8x SK8 2x CK 3-3 BSK.

 

We need to remember that in the 50s BR still had a large number of coaches that never turned a wheel for eleven months of the year. It meant the service was there when the demand arose though.

 

Any thought of you coming to the UK again now that Covid seems to be settling down?

[davidw]

6 minutes ago, great northern said:

I'd say 90+% of my couplings are Hunts now, and in this formation it is 100%. 13 on, some kit built, and the loco (Hornby) took them without a problem.

I've spent a bit of time (quite a bit to be honest) working on Thompson coaches. I'm sure Bachmann will do maroon versions in due course. But I have given up waiting. So so I've built a couple of comet kits. And heavily modified both new and old tooling bachmanns. 

I know about Robert Carrolls coach information. Do you just use his information or have other sources? I've picked up the fact that what ran and official carriage workings could be considerably different?

[davidw]

6 minutes ago, great northern said:

By sheer coincidence, a full formation was next up, and it does indeed confirm that weekends were very different. One thing I have noticed is that Thompson CKs are specified in a large number of trains, often two of them. I've just run a West Riding train made up BSK 8x SK8 2x CK 3-3 BSK.

 

We need to remember that in the 50s BR still had a large number of coaches that never turned a wheel for eleven months of the year. It meant the service was there when the demand arose though.

 

Any thought of you coming to the UK again now that Covid seems to be settling down?

Talking of the West Riding. I see that Isinglass are doing the West Riding/Coronation as 3D prints...

[great northern]

10 minutes ago, davidw said:

I've spent a bit of time (quite a bit to be honest) working on Thompson coaches. I'm sure Bachmann will do maroon versions in due course. But I have given up waiting. So so I've built a couple of comet kits. And heavily modified both new and old tooling bachmanns. 

I know about Robert Carrolls coach information. Do you just use his information or have other sources? I've picked up the fact that what ran and official carriage workings could be considerably different?

This is a discussion TW and I have had several times. I accept that there will have been occasions when things didn't go to plan, and replacements had to be made at short notice, but on seat reservation trains surely that would have been avoided if at all possible?  On trains which specified that a particular depot was to secure coaches, it would be more likely that there would be divergence, I would think.

 

It becomes more and more clear, in my mind anyway, that the vast majority of photographs were taken when people were off work, and therefore at weekends or public holidays, and so what we see is those more eclectic formations which I am now having to put together. I still think that on weekdays the CWN would be observed more strictly. And remember that it was the unusual that often caused the photograph to be taken.

[thegreenhowards]

9 hours ago, great northern said:

And the rest... No RKs shown in Tyneside trains on weekdays, nor all door Gresleys.

 

 

An interesting formation once we’d got past the first five!

Edited June 25, 2022 by thegreenhowards

[great northern]

With 13 cars behind the tender, the Newcastle definitely qualifies for a helping shove from the pilot, and here comes the N5 to give it. The B1 is still waiting for the right away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[great northern]

With 13 on, 60514 is standing well off the end of Platform 3.

 

 

[Oldddudders]

On 24/06/2022 at 12:24, Flying Fox 34F said:

A reflection of “What there once was.” Social mobility, foreign package holidays and the rise of the car.

Nowadays, it is a service of 4 car Sprinters and Class 180’s

 

Paul

Astute observation. It shocks me to realise that it is already almost 50 years since my Control days, when even on a school-holiday weekday we might have a train crewed on standby at Selhurst Depot, awaiting the supervisor at East Croydon's request if service trains to the coast hadn't cleared his platform of passengers. Not much sight of that these days! 

[landscapes]

39 minutes ago, great northern said:

With 13 on, 60514 is standing well off the end of Platform 3.

 

 

Good morning Gilbert

 

A nice clean Thompson Pacific, must be Ex Works?

 

David

[great northern]

1 hour ago, landscapes said:

Good morning Gilbert

 

A nice clean Thompson Pacific, must be Ex Works?

 

David

Indeed, ex works after a heavy intermediate overhaul on 29/8/58, and Tim worked from two photos taken at Doncaster shed dated September 58, so this is one we can be very confident about.

[landscapes]

19 minutes ago, great northern said:

Indeed, ex works after a heavy intermediate overhaul on 29/8/58, and Tim worked from two photos taken at Doncaster shed dated September 58, so this is one we can be very confident about.

Hi  Gilbert

 

Very nice photo and excellent work by Tim.

 

David

 

 

[Clive Mortimore]

2 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

Astute observation. It shocks me to realise that it is already almost 50 years since my Control days, when even on a school-holiday weekday we might have a train crewed on standby at Selhurst Depot, awaiting the supervisor at East Croydon's request if service trains to the coast hadn't cleared his platform of passengers. Not much sight of that these days! 

Hi Ian

 

It was these PEP units that cured that problem.

 

We all know the SR train codes related to the function of the train , 4 SUB = suburban, 4 COR = corridor express train, 4 PEP = pack 'em perpendicular.

[trw1089]

On 25/06/2022 at 20:37, great northern said:

By sheer coincidence, a full formation was next up, and it does indeed confirm that weekends were very different. One thing I have noticed is that Thompson CKs are specified in a large number of trains, often two of them. I've just run a West Riding train made up BSK 8x SK8 2x CK 3-3 BSK.

 

We need to remember that in the 50s BR still had a large number of coaches that never turned a wheel for eleven months of the year. It meant the service was there when the demand arose though.

 

Any thought of you coming to the UK again now that Covid seems to be settling down?

Yes Gilbert

 

We are thinking of a trip next year hopefully as my work has promised me a trip to an international conference which will most likely be in Europe, so will definitely need a visit to PN again (if you’ll have me!).

 

Cheers

Tony

[Oldddudders]

52 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

It was these PEP units that cured that problem.

 

We all know the SR train codes related to the function of the train , 4 SUB = suburban, 4 COR = corridor express train, 4 PEP = pack 'em perpendicular.

Except that they were supposed to be called 4-PER, having electro-rheostatic brakes, not electro-pneumatic. Sadly at the press launch, Lance Ibbotson, General Manager, called them PEP - so all the manuals had to be reprinted!

[30368]

7 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

Except that they were supposed to be called 4-PER, having electro-rheostatic brakes, not electro-pneumatic.

 

And I seem to remember they worked to and from Strawberry Hill Depot where us in the  Rolling Stock Development Unit would check them over. The "PEPs" then sired the GN 313 units.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[great northern]

All the action now is at Platform 6. Leicester's nearly new Std 4 has arrived with a local to its home city, but instead of stopping down by the passenger entrance, it is right up at the north end, Why have passengers to make this unaccustomed trek? Well there is a departure to Cambridge shortly, and it cannot use Platform 2, as that will be occupied by a KX stopper. That means it must use the south end of Platform 6, where it is now to be found.

 

 

[great northern]

9 hours ago, trw1089 said:

Yes Gilbert

 

We are thinking of a trip next year hopefully as my work has promised me a trip to an international conference which will most likely be in Europe, so will definitely need a visit to PN again (if you’ll have me!).

 

Cheers

Tony

You are always welcome Tony.

[great northern]

Off goes the 4MT on its way to Leicester, and just a minute or two later the 8.10 Newcastle KX arrives. It will stop for six minutes, which could mean an engine change, though there were very few of those on the Up on Saturdays. Heaton A2/3 Ocean Swell is in charge, and could well cause an outbreak of cheering as it gets a little closer. Forget that rubbish you were told last night, it is this train that occupies Platform 2, and means the Cambridge must use Platform 6.

 

 

[thegreenhowards]

On 22/06/2022 at 09:48, great northern said:

You will not be disappointed Andy, and I'll be interested to hear your views on how it is presented and packaged.

Hi Gilbert,

 

I’ve  now got mine and I’m very impressed. The loco is very nicely executed and I love the sound although there is a slight rattle as times. The packaging is comprehensive and very professional. Although the large box is a bit bulky for taking it to the club, so I may use a standard loco box for that. Despite the cushioning, mine had lost one of the bogie chains (a detail I don’t remember seeing before) which is slightly frustrating, but a smidge of superglue sorted that out.

 

Here is a link to a video of it running on Gresley Jn.

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

[great northern]

Ocean Swell passes the spotters and the C12, the B12 waits its turn, and an A4 swings under Crescent Bridge. But not all on the same image.

 

 

 

 

[great northern]

The A4 is revealed to be Lord Faringdon, and the train is the 1052 KX-Ripon and Bradford. Past the resting A2/3 it comes, and is seen again emerging from under the roof.