Peterborough North

[thegreenhowards]

12 hours ago, great northern said:

Hi Tony

 

The set is to Dia 194/5, with a Dia 190 composite. The composites were largely replaced after the war by 61ft 6 cars, but I decided that if there was anywhere that might still have a short CK in the late 50s it would be the E.Lincs. These sets were originally built for service on ECML stopping services from KX to Peterborough, and were still being so used in 1958. They were also used on the E.Lincs for may years. Whether they would have got to Wakefield I do not know.

 

However,between 1939 and 1942 further sets were built to Dia 304, and those had a 61ft 6 CK to Dia 305. They were for cross country services and for GC section trains on the Manchester-Cleethorpes route, which they continued to work into the 50s. However, after that they were apparently used in relief main line trains, so you might be more able to justify one of those sets.

 

As to the J11, they were powerful little beasts, and quite capable of dealing with a set like this on Peterborough-Grimsby services which stopped almost everywhere.

Tony,

 

Just to add to what Gilbert has said, some of these sets were originally used on semi fast KX- Leeds services. I forget which time period you model but pre war you could certainly run them through Wakefield. Post war they tended to lose the D.190 as Gilbert said which was replaced by a Thompson or Mk 1 CK and the remaining artic twins were mainly used on KX-Peterborough semi fasts and the East Lincs. Later they seem to turn up on relief services so you could justify a twin on such a train through Wakefield.

 

Steve Banks has a write up of them here

https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/422-lner-steel-quintuple-sets

 

I hope that’s useful

 

Andy

[trw1089]

1 hour ago, thegreenhowards said:

Tony,

 

Just to add to what Gilbert has said, some of these sets were originally used on semi fast KX- Leeds services. I forget which time period you model but pre war you could certainly run them through Wakefield. Post war they tended to lose the D.190 as Gilbert said which was replaced by a Thompson or Mk 1 CK and the remaining artic twins were mainly used on KX-Peterborough semi fasts and the East Lincs. Later they seem to turn up on relief services so you could justify a twin on such a train through Wakefield.

 

Steve Banks has a write up of them here

https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/422-lner-steel-quintuple-sets

 

I hope that’s useful

 

Andy

Thanks Andy and Gilbert, that’s very helpful.

[great northern]

Couldn't resist one more look at 60505 from the "wrong" side. It has a while to wait before setting off, during which time more expresses will pass, the first being an Up Hull, behind one of Top Shed's best V2s.

 

 

[great northern]

60983 from the other side is our first view tonight. Signals are off for the Down, and the Flying Scotsman is coming under Crescent Bridge. Having discovered what a double chimney could do for an A3, KX would not hesitate to use one on a prestige train, and Woolwinder carries the headboard today. Why images keep being transposed I do not know. I do know that it is annoying.

 

 

[davidw]

49 minutes ago, great northern said:

60983 from the other side is our first view tonight. Signals are off for the Down, and the Flying Scotsman is coming under Crescent Bridge. Having discovered what a double chimney could do for an A3, KX would not hesitate to use one on a prestige train, and Woolwinder carries the headboard today. Why images keep being transposed I do not know. I do know that it is annoying.

 

 

Is the rake Hornby Bachmann behind the tender?

[great northern]

Another quick shot of Woolwinder, before I go and get my hair cut. I shall also get my daily five miles in before it gets too hot.

 

 

[great northern]

Hair cut, nearly four miles on the clock, so the rest of the day will be spent quietly in the shade. Here's another look at the Flying Scotsman.

 

 

[great northern]

23 hours ago, davidw said:

Is the rake Hornby Bachmann behind the tender?

All Bachmann save for a kit built RF.

[great northern]

One image only, as I still can't figure out what is going on, but at least you do get three trains. The A2/2 and a J6 on a trip working wait respectfully for the Scotsman to pass through.

 

 

[great northern]

One last look at the Scotsman, as it heads away, first stop Newcastle. The 1130 Edinburgh follows almost immediately, and will no doubt cater for the passengers at intermediate stations who have watched the Scotsman fly through, and would otherwise have quite a long wait to get on their way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[juke]

I really like the way the chassis of the goods wagons can be seen.

 

Syd

[davidw]

4 hours ago, great northern said:

One last look at the Scotsman, as it heads away, first stop Newcastle. The 1130 Edinburgh follows almost immediately, and will no doubt cater for the passengers at intermediate stations who have watched the Scotsman fly through, and would otherwise have quite a long wait to get on their way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gilbert these two shots are outstanding. Thank you for creating a time machine!

[mullie]

7 hours ago, great northern said:

One last look at the Scotsman, as it heads away, first stop Newcastle. The 1130 Edinburgh follows almost immediately, and will no doubt cater for the passengers at intermediate stations who have watched the Scotsman fly through, and would otherwise have quite a long wait to get on their way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are stunning shots, really atmospheric.

 

Martyn

[great northern]

The Edinburgh is immediately replaced at Platform 6 by a Hunstanton excursion. It will run via March, and so a B17 can be rostered.

Meanwhile, a Darlington-KX rolls through. It will have had a Thornaby V2 to Grantham, but one of ours replaced it there.

 

 

[great northern]

From our vantage point among the sidings on the East side, we get another look at that shabby V2.

Next to appear is the 1008 KX-Glasgow. which has Grantham's well kept A3 Knight of Thistle at the head.

 

 

[Clive Mortimore]

13 hours ago, great northern said:

The Edinburgh is immediately replaced at Platform 6 by a Hunstanton excursion. It will run via March, and so a B17 can be rostered.

 

Hello Mr Gilbert

 

Surely by the summer 1958 an excursion to Hunstanton would be in the hands of one of them nice shinny new Brush Type 2s, to show the public how wonderful the modernisation plan was going to be?

[great northern]

1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hello Mr Gilbert

 

Surely by the summer 1958 an excursion to Hunstanton would be in the hands of one of them nice shinny new Brush Type 2s, to show the public how wonderful the modernisation plan was going to be?

But you see in the summer of 58 they were all allocated to Stratford, and they weren't going to send one all the way to Peterborough just to haul a seaside excursion, were they? And if they had done, it would probably have failed.😀

[Oldddudders]

1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hello Mr Gilbert

 

Surely by the summer 1958 an excursion to Hunstanton would be in the hands of one of them nice shinny new Brush Type 2s, to show the public how wonderful the modernisation plan was going to be?

In that era, and now, I suspect excursion punters were least likely to be seen as what we now call 'opinion formers'. Indeed, in those days excursions were often formed of old stock that hung around doing nothing much of the year, until a sunny Sunday beckoned. Impressing such folk was a very low priority. 

[stewartingram]

8 hours ago, great northern said:

But you see in the summer of 58 they were all allocated to Stratford, and they weren't going to send one all the way to Peterborough just to haul a seaside excursion, were they? And if they had done, it would probably have failed.😀

It just so happens that my ongoing layout build is based on (but not a copy of) Hunstanton. I've amassed quite a collection of pics, usually downloaded though, so I can't post them. One is a distant aerial shot, obviously on a summer weekend, and the number of trains stabled is quite amazing. Most of them are disc-fitted Brush 2s, without SYP, and with white window surrounds

[great northern]

56 minutes ago, stewartingram said:

It just so happens that my ongoing layout build is based on (but not a copy of) Hunstanton. I've amassed quite a collection of pics, usually downloaded though, so I can't post them. One is a distant aerial shot, obviously on a summer weekend, and the number of trains stabled is quite amazing. Most of them are disc-fitted Brush 2s, without SYP, and with white window surrounds

I went to March shed, with permit, in May 1960. My best memory is seeing all three of the remaining B17s in traffic, and two of them were in steam. I also remember two rows of brand new diesels, one of D55xx, and the other of D50xx, none of them apparently in use at that time. Soon afterwards though steam was gone, and they took over everything.

[great northern]

We continue to follow 60065. These were taken ten days ago, a very dull day indeed and one which relied entirely on the overhead lighting. These needed a lot of manipulation to get them anything like presentable.

[FarrMan]

On 18/06/2022 at 21:32, great northern said:

The Edinburgh is immediately replaced at Platform 6 by a Hunstanton excursion. It will run via March, and so a B17 can be rostered.

Meanwhile, a Darlington-KX rolls through. It will have had a Thornaby V2 to Grantham, but one of ours replaced it there.

 

 

If it is going via March, is  it not facing the wrong way? Would it go from March via the Ely junctions, or reverse at Wisbeach?

 

Lloyd

[great northern]

Always worth one more look at a clean single chimney A3. And after it had gone, the happy holidaymakers were off on their way to see the sea. And something has transposed the images again.

[great northern]

6 minutes ago, FarrMan said:

If it is going via March, is  it not facing the wrong way? Would it go from March via the Ely junctions, or reverse at Wisbeach?

 

Lloyd

Glad you spotted that, Pike.😕

[great northern]

One Grantham A3 is followed by another, Persimmon with the 7.50 Newcastle-KX. Bridge extension worked well on the second one.