RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 21, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2014 Refer to previous posting about a year or so ago in PN....Ref Hotpants. Gilbert was not amused then and will probably get very annoyed now as I am being naughty again. Wansford......nah, just a completely alien place for an A4 going backwards. There will be one supporter of PN who can refer you to the exact post......not me. Quack. Get annoyed? Why should I do that? Anyway, the point was a good one. What is, or is not appropriate? My view would be this - "here is a photo, it happened, so I'm doing it", would not of itself, be sufficient justification. There is a reference in Railway Observer to a 9F passing over Welwyn viaduct hauling three sets of Quad arts, 24 vehicles in all, and in August 1958 too. Did that happen more than once though? I wouldn't model that, as, apart from the crippling cost of three sets of Quad arts, it was probably either a one off, or something that happened once a year. However, if it can be proved that the apparently wierd event was actually fairly commonplace, then it should be modelled. The SR weren't alone in using huge locos for small trains, the ER did it too, and often between Peterborough and Grantham, so I reproduce what was seen regularly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 21, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2014 As you may have noticed, the flow of new locomotives has slowed to a trickle. Every now and then though, another one arrives, as happened when Tim visited on Wednesday. A while ago, one of my Immingham B1's was transferred to Canada, thus heaping a heavy load on the remaining two which are fit for express work. And so another one has joined the fleet. Immingham always used the most recently ex works locos for the KX duties, not surprisingly given the Class propensity for rough riding at high mileages. Reference to Yeadon and to prototype photos from summer 1958 showed 61079 to be a regular performer, so here she is. A lot of very subtle work has gone into this loco, which to me really looks like an engine which is worked hard and regularly, but still turned out in very good order by a depot which took pride in its most important duty. Tim has tried out some new techniques on the valve gear - I'll leave it to him to explain those if he so wishes - but I think a close up is well merited. And a front view too. I was going to show her heading a nice long fish train, but that will have to wait, as the gloom has descended even earlier than usual today. I did have some visitors today though, and you might spot one of them in the next shot. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2014 B1s, bit like Ns really. That's probably why I like them. I seem to remember asking Tim if he might do some weathering work for me, but I have failed to speak with him recently due to 'circumstances'. I shall speak with him soon, once I have come out of a bit of a 'dark place' and if he can produce something like that finish (on the B1) for me I shall be very pleased indeed. Brilliant work Tim and a very suitable addition to the fleet G. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted November 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2014 Not only great photos of a superb weathering job, but an N5 in the background too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 21, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2014 Not only great photos of a superb weathering job, but an N5 in the background too! Lucky that big fat bloke didn't quite get in the way then. I was tempted, but then I thought, that nice chap Neil has never said or done anything to upset me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 He really should stop eating three Shredded Wheat for breakfast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Fox 34F Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Get annoyed? Why should I do that? Anyway, the point was a good one. What is, or is not appropriate? My view would be this - "here is a photo, it happened, so I'm doing it", would not of itself, be sufficient justification. There is a reference in Railway Observer to a 9F passing over Welwyn viaduct hauling three sets of Quad arts, 24 vehicles in all, and in August 1958 too. Did that happen more than once though? I wouldn't model that, as, apart from the crippling cost of three sets of Quad arts, it was probably either a one off, or something that happened once a year. However, if it can be proved that the apparently wierd event was actually fairly commonplace, then it should be modelled. The SR weren't alone in using huge locos for small trains, the ER did it too, and often between Peterborough and Grantham, so I reproduce what was seen regularly. Gilbert, If you want a bit of Weird and Wonderful, then I suggest the weekly stock transfer train! When my father worked on the footplate he remember the joys of this train. It ran as an empty stock and could have anything in the rake that was able to be braked. The down service was used to take stock to the works. He recalls that if there was a diesel shunter in the formation, then it was a long day at 20mph. Paul 4475 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold trw1089 Posted November 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2014 Hi Gilbert It is an interesting issue that one of what appears in photos, as we discussed just recently. After you mentioned that most photos were taken on a weekend, especially Saturdays, I went back and checked through some of my books and sure enough, when I look through a few of them, including the most recent ones acquired through your good self, I was amazed to see how many were not of the weekday services, but mostly the anything goes Saturday specials and more unusual workings. It really made me think long and hard about some of my previous justifications for certain items of rollingstock. I suppose it comes down to using photos as just one of the items in our research to achieve a reasonable degree of prototypical accuracy, though I must admit the degree of comment regarding your two A4s crossing had me wondering how accurate can we really be when some of the most glaring, such as gauge, gaps between locos and tenders etc are always present but people overlook this and critique such minor details. That you could go so far in reproducing such an prototypical photo so closely, even with a couple of differences, is an amazing achievement anddemonstrates to me how your vision to represent a piece of the ECML in looks and operation has been achieved so well. Obviously we can all strive to improve, but enjoy what you have Gilbert, it is brilliant! Cheers Tony 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted November 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2014 He really should stop eating three Shredded Wheat for breakfast. The trouble is, I'm not that far short of the diameter of the Fat Controller, if rather taller! In my last job we all had an 'alter ego' on the 'whereabouts' board, and mine was....you can guess! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) Aforementioned B1 (Mayflower) at its new home in Canada. Picture shows it as a light engine waiting for its train that will be an all stations stopper to Doncaster (Peterborough if i run it the other way) leaving from Platform 2. Still running great Gilbert and is one of my regular roster locos, hence I now have a spare brand new cassis for when the old Bachmann gives up the ghost Edited November 22, 2014 by Theakerr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
artizen Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Ahhh happy memories of shredded wheat. Over here we get Weetbix which is a close facsimile of low density MDF board and my memory of shredded wheat biscuits was that is tasted a bit like stringy Special K compacted into a dog biscuit shape! Off-topic reminiscences over! Love Sir Topham - reminds me of the comments I get about all the Daleks and Stigs on my Gn15 layout! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2014 Gilbert, If you want a bit of Weird and Wonderful, then I suggest the weekly stock transfer train! When my father worked on the footplate he remember the joys of this train. It ran as an empty stock and could have anything in the rake that was able to be braked. The down service was used to take stock to the works. He recalls that if there was a diesel shunter in the formation, then it was a long day at 20mph. Paul 4475 Thanks Paul, just the sort of thing that I am looking for, as it is a regular working, rather than a "one off". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2014 Aforementioned B1 (Mayflower) at its new home in Canada. Picture shows it as a light engine waiting for its train that will be an all stations stopper to Doncaster (Peterborough if i run it the other way) leaving from Platform 2. Still running great Gilbert and is one of my regular roster locos, hence I now have a spare brand new cassis for when the old Bachmann gives up the ghost Good to see her again, Jim, and that she is still earning her keep. You've sorted a problem for me too - it hadn't occurred to me to get some replacement chassis, I was just thinking in terms of Hornby replacement locos when the time came. The way things are now though, there seems to be no guarantee that they will be readily available new in the future, and anyway, some of my Bachmann locos have been with me for a long time and so I'd really like to keep them running. A hunt for Bachmann chassis is in order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2014 Ahhh happy memories of shredded wheat. Over here we get Weetbix which is a close facsimile of low density MDF board and my memory of shredded wheat biscuits was that is tasted a bit like stringy Special K compacted into a dog biscuit shape! Off-topic reminiscences over! Love Sir Topham - reminds me of the comments I get about all the Daleks and Stigs on my Gn15 layout! Perhaps I should explain the presence of that impressive gentleman. I was contacted recently on behalf of a local engineering company, which is celebrating its centenary,and which manufactures for the rail industry. They are doing a promotional video, and wanted to incorporate some archive material into it, and so were looking for a model on which they could pose some figures as part of the story line. I was happy to help, especially as modelling funds would get a boost, and so on Friday a photoshoot took place. Sir Topham will take part in the video, in various different poses, but they had not been able to source an 00 gauge figure, so this one had to be used. Before he arrived, he had already had his head chopped off and replaced, so that he can raise his hat, and his arms severed and hinged so that he can move them too. That isn't the end of the indignities he will suffer, as he will now be photoshopped down to the correct scale too! Everything that was done here was shot as macros, so I won't be able to show you an end product, but it was an interesting experience, and good to assist a Company which has such a strong connection to the real railways. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Perhaps I should explain the presence of that impressive gentleman. I was contacted recently on behalf of a local engineering company, which is celebrating its centenary,and which manufactures for the rail industry. They are doing a promotional video, and wanted to incorporate some archive material into it, and so were looking for a model on which they could pose some figures as part of the story line. I was happy to help, especially as modelling funds would get a boost, and so on Friday a photoshoot took place. Sir Topham will take part in the video, in various different poses, but they had not been able to source an 00 gauge figure, so this one had to be used. Before he arrived, he had already had his head chopped off and replaced, so that he can raise his hat, and his arms severed and hinged so that he can move them too. That isn't the end of the indignities he will suffer, as he will now be photoshopped down to the correct scale too! Everything that was done here was shot as macros, so I won't be able to show you an end product, but it was an interesting experience, and good to assist a Company which has such a strong connection to the real railways. I want an appearance fee... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Thanks Paul, just the sort of thing that I am looking for, as it is a regular working, rather than a "one off". Such trains ran into the 1980s, at least. Some routes even had a couple of different workings; on the Crewe- Derby line, there was a working of passenger stock to/from the WCML to Derby Carriage Works, and a second working, conveying loco parts from Derby to Crewe and vice-versa. This latter seemed always to have a selection of 'Specials' such as Bogie Well Wagons, Lowmacs, as well as more prosaic types; there'd be diesel engines/ generators, as well as bogies and smaller bits, along with refurbished roof panels and the occasional cab/nose end. Both trains ran several times a week in the early 1980s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2014 I found a weekly ECS working on the WR (BR), in the late 50s/ early 60s Summer Timetables, to Cornwall from east of Exeter, that consisted almost entirely of catering vehicles. This was some sort of balance working and I think it ran on Fridays but CBA to look at the book at the moment. I fancy that as one of my 'diversions' when I eventually get the layout working. Gilbert is running a proper timetable and that is how it can be. I shall be running a realistic timetable most of the time, but there will be quite a few unusual trains popped in for my amusement. Also excuses for 'rare' loco's. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2014 I found a weekly ECS working on the WR (BR), in the late 50s/ early 60s Summer Timetables, to Cornwall from east of Exeter, that consisted almost entirely of catering vehicles. This was some sort of balance working and I think it ran on Fridays but CBA to look at the book at the moment. I fancy that as one of my 'diversions' when I eventually get the layout working. Gilbert is running a proper timetable and that is how it can be. I shall be running a realistic timetable most of the time, but there will be quite a few unusual trains popped in for my amusement. Also excuses for 'rare' loco's. P There were several trains of diners (i.e restaraunt/kitchen cars, not people!) at and on the shoulders of summer weekends on the WR - the diners being mainly moved for stocking/destocking or specialised cleaning (kitchen cleaning only being carried out by a limited number of depots). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2014 Hi Gilbert and all I am sure I have an old VHS tape with a Kings Cross to Doncaster ECS that included, Gresley, Thompson and BR coaches, some non corridor and a Cravens DMU. The thing on the front looked like some of the ones on your layout, "A something" I think they are called. If I remember correctly it is part of a squence of shots showing the bottle neck at Greenwood before the second tunnel bore was made. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) There were several trains of diners (i.e restaraunt/kitchen cars, not people!) at and on the shoulders of summer weekends on the WR - the diners being mainly moved for stocking/destocking or specialised cleaning (kitchen cleaning only being carried out by a limited number of depots). I shall now await the duplicate announcement of production of various Diagrams of ex GWR and BRWR catering stock and then choose to whom I shall deliver the pennies. On second thoughts I might just have a cup of tea. A second cup might also be taken whilst awaiting the Maunsell Diners (or shall I try to find those Kirk Kits I have somewhere?) Pah! P P Edited November 23, 2014 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Well blow me down, "Mayflower" has gone. 'Twas a regular through Scunny when I were a lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2014 I want an appearance fee... Sorry, they hired a double. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshiremodeller Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Thanks very much Tony - that is a very interesting image, for a number of reasons. This must I think be one of the first DMU's to be tried on the E.Lincs line, a brave effort by BR I reckon to stem the tide of losses on lines such as this, There were many more high profile areas where they could have been employed, but then I suppose there was a more captive market available in those places. I'm not very good on DMU's. Can someone confirm what type this is. Class 114 I suspect? Slow response ... just catching up with this thread. To confirm, this is indeed a class 114. One of the originals, note lack of speed whiskers, white roof dome, and lion-over-wheel emblems. The early ones were also delivered in a lighter SR shade of green (as opposed to the later darker shade of DMU green). DC kits do a pretty decent kit version... Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The conversion from the new chassis to fit the old bodies is pretty well straightforward although on all three "new" chassis I have had to or will have to align the the piston slide bar since it is sloped downwards at horribly incorrect angle. The only bit that needs transferring is the sandboxes which on the old chassis were cast in - not a big job and a fair bit of ballast has to be added since the new chassis is considerably lighter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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