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Refer to previous posting about a year or so ago in PN....Ref Hotpants. Gilbert was not amused then and will probably get very annoyed now as I am being naughty again.

Wansford......nah, just a completely alien place for an A4 going backwards.

There will be one supporter of PN who can refer you to the exact post......not me. :mail:

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Get annoyed? Why should I do that? :ireful: :aggressive_mini:  Anyway,  the point was a good one. What is, or is not appropriate?  My view would be this - "here is a photo, it happened, so I'm doing it", would not of itself, be sufficient justification. There is a reference in Railway Observer to a 9F passing over Welwyn viaduct hauling three sets of Quad arts, 24 vehicles in all, and in August 1958 too. Did that happen more than once though? I wouldn't model that, as, apart from the crippling cost of three sets of Quad arts, it was probably either a one off, or something that happened once a year. However, if it can be proved that the apparently wierd event was actually fairly commonplace, then it should be modelled. The SR weren't alone in using huge locos for small trains, the ER did it too, and often between Peterborough and Grantham, so I reproduce what was seen regularly.

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B1s, bit like Ns really. That's probably why I like them.

I seem to remember asking Tim if he might do some weathering work for me, but I have failed to speak with him recently due to 'circumstances'. I shall speak with him soon, once I have come out of a bit of a 'dark place' and if he can produce something like that finish (on the B1) for me I shall be very pleased indeed. Brilliant work Tim and a very suitable addition to the fleet G.

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Not only great photos of a superb weathering job, but an N5 in the background too! :sungum:

Lucky that big fat bloke didn't quite get in the way then. :jester:  I was tempted, but then I thought, that nice chap Neil has never said or done anything to upset me.

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Get annoyed? Why should I do that? :ireful: :aggressive_mini:  Anyway,  the point was a good one. What is, or is not appropriate?  My view would be this - "here is a photo, it happened, so I'm doing it", would not of itself, be sufficient justification. There is a reference in Railway Observer to a 9F passing over Welwyn viaduct hauling three sets of Quad arts, 24 vehicles in all, and in August 1958 too. Did that happen more than once though? I wouldn't model that, as, apart from the crippling cost of three sets of Quad arts, it was probably either a one off, or something that happened once a year. However, if it can be proved that the apparently wierd event was actually fairly commonplace, then it should be modelled. The SR weren't alone in using huge locos for small trains, the ER did it too, and often between Peterborough and Grantham, so I reproduce what was seen regularly.

Gilbert,

If you want a bit of Weird and Wonderful, then I suggest the weekly stock transfer train!

When my father worked on the footplate he remember the joys of this train. It ran as an empty stock and could have anything in the rake that was able to be braked. The down service was used to take stock to the works. He recalls that if there was a diesel shunter in the formation, then it was a long day at 20mph.

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Hi Gilbert

 

It is an interesting issue that one of what appears in photos, as we discussed just recently.  After you mentioned that most photos were taken on a weekend, especially Saturdays, I went back and checked through some of my books and sure enough, when I look through a few of them, including the most recent ones acquired through your good self, I was amazed to see how many were not of the weekday services, but mostly the anything goes Saturday specials and more unusual workings.  It really made me think long and hard about some of my previous justifications for certain items of rollingstock.

 

I suppose it comes down to using photos as just one of the items in our research to achieve a reasonable degree of prototypical accuracy, though I must admit the degree of comment regarding your two A4s crossing had me wondering how accurate can we really be when some of the most glaring, such as gauge, gaps between locos and tenders etc are always present but people overlook this and critique such minor details.  That you could go so far in reproducing such an prototypical photo so closely, even with a couple of differences, is an amazing achievement anddemonstrates to me how your vision to represent a piece of the ECML in looks and operation has been achieved so well.  Obviously we can all strive to improve, but enjoy what you have Gilbert, it is brilliant!

 

Cheers

Tony

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He really should stop eating three Shredded Wheat for breakfast.

 

The trouble is, I'm not that far short of the diameter of the Fat Controller, if rather taller!  In my last job we all had an 'alter ego' on the 'whereabouts' board, and mine was....you can guess! :jester:

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Aforementioned B1 (Mayflower) at its new home in Canada.  Picture shows it as a light engine waiting for its train that will be an all stations stopper to Doncaster (Peterborough if i run it the other way) leaving from Platform 2.  Still running great Gilbert and is one of my regular roster locos, hence I now have a spare brand new cassis for when the old Bachmann gives up the ghost 

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Ahhh happy memories of shredded wheat. Over here we get Weetbix which is a close facsimile of low density MDF board and my memory of shredded wheat biscuits was that is tasted a bit like stringy Special K compacted into a dog biscuit shape!

 

Off-topic reminiscences over!

 

Love Sir Topham - reminds me of the comments I get about all the Daleks and Stigs on my Gn15 layout!

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Gilbert,

If you want a bit of Weird and Wonderful, then I suggest the weekly stock transfer train!

When my father worked on the footplate he remember the joys of this train. It ran as an empty stock and could have anything in the rake that was able to be braked. The down service was used to take stock to the works. He recalls that if there was a diesel shunter in the formation, then it was a long day at 20mph.

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Thanks Paul, just the sort of thing that I am looking for, as it is a regular working, rather than a "one off".

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Aforementioned B1 (Mayflower) at its new home in Canada.  Picture shows it as a light engine waiting for its train that will be an all stations stopper to Doncaster (Peterborough if i run it the other way) leaving from Platform 2.  Still running great Gilbert and is one of my regular roster locos, hence I now have a spare brand new cassis for when the old Bachmann gives up the ghost 

Good to see her again, Jim, and that she is still earning her keep. You've sorted a problem for me too - it hadn't occurred to me to get some replacement chassis, I was just thinking in terms of Hornby replacement locos when the time came. The way things are now though, there seems to be no guarantee that they will be readily available new in the future, and anyway, some of my Bachmann locos have been with me for a long time and so I'd really like to keep them running. A hunt for Bachmann chassis is in order.

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Ahhh happy memories of shredded wheat. Over here we get Weetbix which is a close facsimile of low density MDF board and my memory of shredded wheat biscuits was that is tasted a bit like stringy Special K compacted into a dog biscuit shape!

 

Off-topic reminiscences over!

 

Love Sir Topham - reminds me of the comments I get about all the Daleks and Stigs on my Gn15 layout!

Perhaps I should explain the presence of that impressive gentleman. I was contacted recently on behalf of a local engineering company, which is celebrating its centenary,and which manufactures for the rail industry. They are doing a promotional video, and wanted to incorporate some archive material into it, and so were looking for a model on which they could pose some figures as part of the story line. I was happy to help, especially as modelling funds would get a boost, and so on Friday a photoshoot took place. Sir Topham will take part in the video, in various different poses, but they had not been able to source an 00 gauge figure, so this one had to be used. Before he arrived, he had already had his head chopped off and replaced, so that he can raise his hat, and his arms severed and hinged so that he can move them too. That isn't the end of the indignities he will suffer, as he will now be photoshopped down to the correct scale too!

 

Everything that was done here was shot as macros, so I won't be able to show you an end product, but it was an interesting experience, and good to assist a Company which has such a strong connection to the real railways.

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Perhaps I should explain the presence of that impressive gentleman. I was contacted recently on behalf of a local engineering company, which is celebrating its centenary,and which manufactures for the rail industry. They are doing a promotional video, and wanted to incorporate some archive material into it, and so were looking for a model on which they could pose some figures as part of the story line. I was happy to help, especially as modelling funds would get a boost, and so on Friday a photoshoot took place. Sir Topham will take part in the video, in various different poses, but they had not been able to source an 00 gauge figure, so this one had to be used. Before he arrived, he had already had his head chopped off and replaced, so that he can raise his hat, and his arms severed and hinged so that he can move them too. That isn't the end of the indignities he will suffer, as he will now be photoshopped down to the correct scale too!

 

Everything that was done here was shot as macros, so I won't be able to show you an end product, but it was an interesting experience, and good to assist a Company which has such a strong connection to the real railways.

I want an appearance fee...

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Thanks Paul, just the sort of thing that I am looking for, as it is a regular working, rather than a "one off".

Such trains ran into the 1980s, at least. Some routes even had a couple of different workings; on the Crewe- Derby line, there was a working of passenger stock to/from the WCML to Derby Carriage Works, and a second working, conveying loco parts from Derby to Crewe and vice-versa. This latter seemed always to have a selection of 'Specials' such as Bogie Well Wagons, Lowmacs, as well as more prosaic types; there'd be diesel engines/ generators, as well as bogies and smaller bits, along with refurbished roof panels and the occasional cab/nose end. Both trains ran several times a week in the early 1980s.

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I found a weekly ECS working on the WR (BR), in the late 50s/ early 60s Summer Timetables, to Cornwall from east of Exeter, that consisted almost entirely of catering vehicles. This was some sort of balance working and I think it ran on Fridays but CBA to look at the book at the moment.

I fancy that as one of my 'diversions' when I eventually get the layout working.

Gilbert is running a proper timetable and that is how it can be.

I shall be running a realistic timetable most of the time, but there will be quite a few unusual trains popped in for my amusement. Also excuses for 'rare' loco's.

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I found a weekly ECS working on the WR (BR), in the late 50s/ early 60s Summer Timetables, to Cornwall from east of Exeter, that consisted almost entirely of catering vehicles. This was some sort of balance working and I think it ran on Fridays but CBA to look at the book at the moment.

I fancy that as one of my 'diversions' when I eventually get the layout working.

Gilbert is running a proper timetable and that is how it can be.

I shall be running a realistic timetable most of the time, but there will be quite a few unusual trains popped in for my amusement. Also excuses for 'rare' loco's.

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There were several trains of diners (i.e restaraunt/kitchen cars, not people!) at and on the shoulders of summer weekends on the WR - the diners being mainly moved for stocking/destocking or specialised cleaning  (kitchen cleaning only being carried out by a limited number of depots).

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Hi Gilbert and all

 

I am sure I have an old VHS tape with a Kings Cross to Doncaster ECS that included, Gresley, Thompson and BR coaches, some non corridor and a Cravens DMU. The thing on the front looked like some of the ones on your layout, "A something" I think they are called. If I remember correctly it is part of a squence of shots showing the bottle neck at Greenwood before the second tunnel bore was made.

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There were several trains of diners (i.e restaraunt/kitchen cars, not people!) at and on the shoulders of summer weekends on the WR - the diners being mainly moved for stocking/destocking or specialised cleaning  (kitchen cleaning only being carried out by a limited number of depots).

I shall now await the duplicate announcement of production of various Diagrams of ex GWR and BRWR catering stock and then choose to whom I shall deliver the pennies. On second thoughts I might just have a cup of tea. A second cup might also be taken whilst awaiting the Maunsell Diners (or shall I try to find those Kirk Kits I have somewhere?)

Pah!

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Thanks very much Tony - that is a very interesting image, for a number of reasons. This must I think be one of the first DMU's to be tried on the E.Lincs line, a brave effort by BR I reckon to stem the tide of losses on lines such as this, There were many more high profile areas where they could have been employed, but then I suppose there was a more captive market available in those places. I'm not very good on DMU's. Can someone confirm what type this is. Class 114 I suspect?

Slow response ... just catching up with this thread. To confirm, this is indeed a class 114. One of the originals, note lack of speed whiskers, white roof dome, and lion-over-wheel emblems. The early ones were also delivered in a lighter SR shade of green (as opposed to the later darker shade of DMU green).

 

DC kits do a pretty decent kit version...

 

Simon

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The conversion from the new chassis to fit the old bodies is pretty well straightforward although on all three "new" chassis I have had to or will have to align the the piston slide bar since it is sloped downwards at horribly incorrect angle.  The only bit that needs transferring is the sandboxes which on the old chassis were cast in - not a big job and a fair bit of ballast has to be added since the new chassis is considerably lighter.

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