Peterborough North

[coachmann]

Someone said if it's there it should be modelled. I need to know how his trick for gettin' steam out of drain cocks...

Edited September 10, 2015 by coachmann

[Alister_G]

Ok so sorry for the slight skewing off-topic Gilbert, but this talk piqued my interest.

 

Those of you who follow my thread will know that I am slowly building a whole stack of telegraph poles for eventual inclusion on my layout.

 

So I took my little photo plank, and stuck three of the completed poles on it, and used this stuff to wire them up:

 

 

This was recommended to me as being "The stuff" for telegraph wires.

 

So between the three poles I strung three strands:

 

 

As you can see, from certain angles the wires are very visible:

 

 

 

sometimes intrusively so:

 

 

But from other angles, and lighting, they're almost invisible:

 

 

 

I would suggest that for longer shots like Gilbert takes, they would not necessarily show.

 

However, there are only three strands on these poles, but there are 32 insulators. If each one was wired I don't think you'd see through the resulting birdcage.

 

Sorry for the diversion Gilbert.

 

Al.

[Market65]

Hi, Al. Although that is good, I don't think that it is thin enough, and I must agree that if all the insulators were wired then the result would be overpowering.

 

Is there anything thinner?

 

With best regards,

 

Market65.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Market65

[Alister_G]

Hi, Al. Although that is good, I don't think that it is thin enough, and I must agree that if all the insulators were wired then the result would be overpowering.

 

Is there anything thinner?

 

With best regards,

 

Market65.

 

Well if the stuff that  migilbert30 posted truly is 0.04mm thick, then that will be a lot finer.

 

The benefit of the E-Z Line is that it is stretchable, so much less likely to snap if you do catch it, but I agree it's a bit thick.

 

Al.

[manna]

G'day Gents

 

I think the only way to get anything finer, you'd be looking at training spiders !!!! then you'd have to put up with dead fly's hanging in mid air.

 

manna

[great northern]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-04mm-ENAMELLED-COPPER-WIRE-MAGNET-WIRE-COIL-WIRE-50grams-solderable-/121575509552

 

Only joking.....

As a matter of interest, what would that be used for? Not very grammatical, but its late. And I'm still not doing it.

[Theakerr]

I don't think I would ever attempt to add telephone/telegraph wires because I don't see how you could get the "droop" that was always there in a consistent manner between each wire and each length.  The odd layout I have seen that puts in wires always show them as "straight" and they were not and look so wrong.  A bit like a WD with an A4 sound chip

[Alister_G]

As a matter of interest, what would that be used for? Not very grammatical, but its late. And I'm still not doing it.

 

Usually used for the windings on electric motors, relay solenoids, or the low-current side of a step down transformer, all applications where the more turns per inch you can get, the stronger the magnetic field that results.

 

Al.

[Alister_G]

I don't think I would ever attempt to add telephone/telegraph wires because I don't see how you could get the "droop" that was always there in a consistent manner between each wire and each length.  The odd layout I have seen that puts in wires always show them as "straight" and they were not and look so wrong.  A bit like a WD with an A4 sound chip

 

Interesting point. Whilst doing a bit of research last night (after I'd posted the above) I came across this post by Graham Muspratt on his blog

 

http://grahammuz.com/tag/railway-telegraph-wires/

 

Where he deliberately alternates the wires on every other pole to be one arm lower than the other, to give an impression of the droop. He uses a black "magicians thread" which sounds similar to the E-Z Line above, in that it is elastic, and therefore has no natural sag - but as he points out, even using conventional wire, at such small scale there is no intrinsic weight in the wire so the droop never looks convincing.

 

Al.

[Clive Mortimore]

Someone said if it's there it should be modelled. I need to know how his trick for gettin' steam out of drain cocks...

It would be nice to see the drain cocks fitted to a class 27 or a 4F, come to think of it nice to see them fitted to many outside cylinder locos as well

[great northern]

It would be nice to see the drain cocks fitted to a class 27 or a 4F, come to think of it nice to see them fitted to many outside cylinder locos as well

And just as nice to find a foolproof way of stopping the ****** things from falling off. I constantly find them lying smugly beside the track, challenging me to find which of many locos they have fallen off. To be honest, I tend to leave them off now. Advancing age has made it difficult for me to get locos railed up properly, and it is far too easy to pinch the drain cocks inwards while trying to get a floppy bogie to stay on track. The result then of course is fouling of the bogie on curves, and another derailment.

[micklner]

I wouldn't use wires on Telegraph Poles unless its a behind glass display item. They wouldn't last two minutes on a working layout and cause damage at the same time.

 

 

As to draincocks glue them on with eveostick or similar glue , it remains elastic and allows some bending to take place.

[great northern]

Here are the last few images from David West's visit on Wednesday, featuring again the works of that nice Mr Thompson. A highly appropriate loco for PN, as Owen Tudor was a New England engine for most of its life. It has cousins here too, as this is one of Tim's lovely A2 conversions. The train is the 6.20 Down Leeds.

The mice have been at the last one, I'm afraid. And I got tired of shopping the poles on the second one. I should not use the zoom function, especially now that I know more about cropping.

[rockershovel]

I'm most intrigued with the wires in those pictures. I want single overhead power lines for Oilpatch - they are such a ubiquitous desert feature, and in those places any sort of feature shows.

 

I can't imagine anyone modelling the cats-cradle of wires at a place like Peterborough effectively. You wouldn't notice the lack of wires on the actual model, I'm sure; it's a photography issue. I much prefer the monochrome images, given that coloured images of the original are so rare anyway, I find the monochrome model shots much more effective. I'm sure the right background effect would render the whole issue invisible

[great northern]

I don't think I would ever attempt to add telephone/telegraph wires because I don't see how you could get the "droop" that was always there in a consistent manner between each wire and each length.  The odd layout I have seen that puts in wires always show them as "straight" and they were not and look so wrong.  A bit like a WD with an A4 sound chip

Thanks Jim, that's yet another good reason for leaving them off.

[jrg1]

Thanks Jim, that's yet another good reason for leaving them off.

Not to mention the wires as dust collectors

[Mallard60022]

Boll***s to wires let's get on with some coach spotting please.

A. G. Bell

[great northern]

I have just discovered two more images from last Friday's shoot that I haven't yet processed, so I thought I might as well get them finished.  Here is B17 Tottenham Hotspur, some three weeks away from withdrawal, and relegated to bringing two carriages less than a mile from East station.

This photograph features some coaches, but absolutely no wires whatsoever.

61630 now at journey's end. Image heavily cropped to exclude some, but not all, of the mistakes made while shopping it, but it does feature part of a coach, and a rather nice drinking fountain.

[Alister_G]

This photograph features some coaches, but absolutely no wires whatsoever.

I'm sure I can see some, really faint...

 

Image heavily cropped to exclude some, but not all, of the mistakes made while shopping it

Gilbert, this may be teaching you to suck eggs, but whenever I make any editing changes to a photo, the very first thing I do is save it with a different name, so the original is still intact. That way, if I make a balls up I can go back and start again.

 

Also, you do know the command Edit | Undo (with keyboard shortcut CTRL and Z) will remove the last thing you did whilst editing, and in most programs has a history that you can go back through - so if you make a mistake, do something else and then notice it, you can do "Undo" a few times to revert back to before the mistake. I don't specifically know about Paint.NET, some programs only have ten Undos, others are unlimited.

 

Sorry if you know all this, please tell me to shut up.

 

Al.

[The Blue Streak]

 it does feature part of a coach, and a rather nice drinking fountain.

 

What a cracking little fountain. I love those little details, it's these things, that make this train set a bit special. Although sometimes it's hard to look past the Loco's, It's usually worth a longer look with PN and try to spot the bit's and pieces.

[Mallard60022]

Totterham Hotspur and relegated in the same sentence........................

Spurs seem to be a team that is forever First Division/Premiership. Clever that.

4 coaches there G; thanks.

Q

[landscapes]

I have just discovered two more images from last Friday's shoot that I haven't yet processed, so I thought I might as well get them finished.  Here is B17 Tottenham Hotspur, some three weeks away from withdrawal, and relegated to bringing two carriages less than a mile from East station.

1630 1.jpg

This photograph features some coaches, but absolutely no wires whatsoever.

1630 2.jpg

61630 now at journey's end. Image heavily cropped to exclude some, but not all, of the mistakes made while shopping it, but it does feature part of a coach, and a rather nice drinking fountain.

Hi Gilbert

 

Great locomotive and photo, and also a great football club as well.

 

Regards

 

David

[Market65]

I also like the coaches and the magnificent drinking fountain which really adds so much in the way of atmosphere and finish to that part of the station.

 

With best regards,

 

Market65.

[great northern]

I'm sure I can see some, really faint...

 

Gilbert, this may be teaching you to suck eggs, but whenever I make any editing changes to a photo, the very first thing I do is save it with a different name, so the original is still intact. That way, if I make a balls up I can go back and start again.

 

Also, you do know the command Edit | Undo (with keyboard shortcut CTRL and Z) will remove the last thing you did whilst editing, and in most programs has a history that you can go back through - so if you make a mistake, do something else and then notice it, you can do "Undo" a few times to revert back to before the mistake. I don't specifically know about Paint.NET, some programs only have ten Undos, others are unlimited.

 

Sorry if you know all this, please tell me to shut up.

 

Al.

Wouldn't dream of it Al, I need all the help I can get. The first tip is much appreciated, it had never occurred to me to do that. I do have unlimited undos with Paint.Net, and I do use that function. It gets very tedious though when the mistake lies about 50 moves back. I suppose I should take a lot more care when looking at images to see what has been "eaten", as that is the only way really that I can avoid the problem. The tolerance setting on Paint.Net is difficult to judge - a couple of per cent too much and it gleefully wipes out half an image, but if I err a bit on the side of caution it then only deals with a very small area at a time.

 

The big problem is that I have a lot of grey roofs to contend with, and a lot of the time my lovely duck egg blue walls come out rather grey in photos too. I suspect that white would actually have been a much better choice, but it is too late now.

[great northern]

I also like the coaches and the magnificent drinking fountain which really adds so much in the way of atmosphere and finish to that part of the station.

 

With best regards,

 

Market65.

  I was very lucky to find a close up image of that part of the Excursion platform buildings, otherwise we would never have known about it. It is a lovely feature I agree, and Peter Leyland as usual did a great job in reproducing it. There is another one on the end wall of Platform 2 at the North end actually, but it is very difficult to get the camera in a position to show it.