davidw Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Hmm at some point 60113 is coming my way. I'll duck under a baseboard now Edited June 13, 2012 by davidw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 13, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Here is that nice new Bachmann V2, straight out of the box. Next is the old one, as produced save for number change and weathering. then we have a sort of half way house, new chimney and dome, fixed Cartazzi and Ian Rathbone paint job. And finally the really expensive option - Proscale. Any comments? Edited June 13, 2012 by great northern 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Oh I see....you issue me with a yellow card......and then stick a load of V2 photos up just make me feel even worse! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Yes. You get what you pay for. Ed - and that Cartazzi mod makes much more difference than I'd have thought if you'd asked me beforehand. Edited June 13, 2012 by jwealleans 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 13, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2012 Oh I see....you issue me with a yellow card......and then stick a load of V2 photos up just make me feel even worse! Just helping you to make an informed choice Tom, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 13, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2012 Hmm at some point 60113 is coming my way. I'll duck under a baseboard now No that's fine David, if it is coming your way it can't be coming mine. Each to his own...... Gone golfing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Just helping you to make an informed choice Tom, that's all. What is interesting...maybe I'm saying the most sacrilegious thing ever , but the Bachmann V2 doesn't look too bad in your photos, the most noticeable thing being the bulbous smokebox. Edited June 13, 2012 by Tom F 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Here is that nice new Bachmann V2, straight out of the box. Next is the old one, as produced save for number change and weathering. then we have a sort of half way house, new chimney and dome, fixed Cartazzi and Ian Rathbone paint job. And finally the really expensive option - Proscale. Any comments? That's not as bad I thought it was going to be - the chassis has improved things. I do wish Bachmann had gone the same way as Hornby on Cartazzi's, so we'd see more relief. Thanks for posting Edited June 13, 2012 by davidw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Have to say, I think the Rathbone modified Bachmann V2 is the best of them - but would be perfect with the new Bachmann chassis. The replacement dome and chimney detract a lot from the mishapen boiler barrel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timara Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Much as the ProScale one is indeed the more expensive route to a V2 (or at least, was), it is indeed the most "V2-like" of the lot. There's too much of polishing the proverbial turd on the Bachmann one, much as the paint job and replacement fittings are indeed an improvement. You still have the boiler, smokebox door and cab causing the eye heartache on it. The real view to see on 60862 (and indeed 60966) is a decent front 3/4 from rail level where you really see the difference. That's my opinion anyway! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Hopefully Hornby will produce one, Bachmann have missed a big oppourtunity here to produce a correct Loco. Cannot understand their logic at all . 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 The valve gear on the Proscale one is best too, IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 To be honest, they all look very much alike. Obviously the subtlety of boiler differences is lost on me. Must say I prefer the wheels/motion of the first example of the four - especially the wheels which look much finer than the rest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 ive never noticed the difference in the cylinder to smokebox pipe before, but Im not well up on these LNER types. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Tim is right that the Pro Scale is the most accurate, but if you're on a budget, the new Bachmann V2 with the Rathbone ones chimney and dome looks like the way to go. I'm still in the camp that says the boiler outright needs replacing, but for a more reasonable portrayal and compromise against price... In short, as above - you get what you pay for. But it doesn't look like much needs to be done to the new V2 to bring it up to a decent standard. It's no Hornby B1, that's for certain, and unlike the Bachmann B1, doesn't nail the proportions in all areas, but it's still the cheapest way to get a running V2 and in that sense, it's worth getting [for me]. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 14, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2012 Thanks gentlemen for all the comments, which I found very interesting. Of course the new model still has several imperfections, but it is intriguing to see that I'm not the only one who has a sneaking feeling that it is at least a good step forward. We now have a superb chassis,much better looking and light years ahead in running quality, a vastly improved Cartazzi arrangement and a much improved loco to tender connection. That is a big step forward, and I think does make the body defects easier to overlook. I am certainly leaning towards getting some more as a comparatively cheap way of boosting the numbers of an essential class. Looking at Ian Rathbone's paint job, it occurs to me that the boiler does look slimmer on that loco? Perhaps it is the far less prominent lining/boiler bands that help? It is apparently very easy to replace the chimney, so with a good weathering job to tone down the factory finish I reckon we do have a reliable and much improved model, which will respond to a bit more tweaking too. The glass is considerably more than half full, but let's hope that Bachmann decide that this loco should be an exception to their normal policy when it comes to upgrading the body, because they would be on to a real winner if they did. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Gilbert, I've been looking at the profile of the V2's in your photo's. What is apparent (to me) is the overt curve on the smoke box door. Perhaps just replacing the smokebox door (with that from an A3) would be enough to improve the model. I've an old v2 which I'll try that on and report back 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) I'd be interested how you get on with that David. I hadn't thought it possible as the V2 boiler diameter is too wide, but If it works, this could be another nice mod! Edited June 14, 2012 by Tom F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUTLER2579 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) I seem to recall my mate John Houlden of Whistle Stop Models & Gamston Bank fame? did an article for BRM that may or may not have been published yet on converting an A3 into a V2. I will try to find the article or speak to Lord Houlden of Ranby at my earliest convenience. I know the Wright person took some photographs. Of course the situation in "O" Gauge is very different as we are spoilt b y having the choice of two very good models from DJH & Finescale. Kind Regards, Cutler. PS:- Now to be known by "Great Northern" respectfully as "Junior" As I was only 12 in 1958. Edited June 14, 2012 by CUTLER2579 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Is the V2 boiler that much wider than, say, the china made tender drive A3 model Tom? I have a large amount of those smokebox doors lying around from various cut and shut projects and the possibility of throwing those into the mix is intriguing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Is the V2 boiler that much wider than, say, the china made tender drive A3 model Tom? I have a large amount of those smokebox doors lying around from various cut and shut projects and the possibility of throwing those into the mix is intriguing. It's one of those I'll be trying later. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Not made the progess that I'd planned. But the Hornby Smoke box door is smaller. Personnally I perfer it - but it tends to show up the inadequecies of the boiler - I'll try to get some photos' done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timara Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Not made the progess that I'd planned. But the Hornby Smoke box door is smaller. Personnally I perfer it - but it tends to show up the inadequecies of the boiler - I'll try to get some photos' done. I have to admit David, that news doesn't come as any surprise to me. Is the discrepancy something in the region of 1-1.5mm? At least the replacement door will be somewhat flatter than the rather bizarre door Bachmann have on theirs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) No not as big a discrepancy as that Tim - it's quite passable. And being flatter improved the appearance alot Edited June 14, 2012 by davidw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 No not as big a discrepancy as that Tim - it's quite passable. And being flatter improved the appearance alot What type of smoke box door did you use David. The old margate one, or the current super detail one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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