RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 19 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19 This is a long shot, but I wonder if anyone could help identify the colliery named on this wagon? Its frustrating, because the "Return to" and "Colliery" bits are so clear! The wagon was owned by the Brechin United Co-Operative Society, and the photo is dated to 1900. I think it might be a two word name, possibly with an '&' in there as well, but I cant seem to find a colliery (at least in Scotland) with this form of name. Does anyone have better eyesight than me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, JohnR said: This is a long shot, but I wonder if anyone could help identify the colliery named on this wagon? Its frustrating, because the "Return to" and "Colliery" bits are so clear! The wagon was owned by the Brechin United Co-Operative Society, and the photo is dated to 1900. I think it might be a two word name, possibly with an '&' in there as well, but I cant seem to find a colliery (at least in Scotland) with this form of name. Does anyone have better eyesight than me? -----wood? Could be Earlswood Colliery, but that's in South Wales. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 19 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, Paul H Vigor said: -----wood? Could be Earlswood Colliery, but that's in South Wales. I had assumed a Scottish colliery, but of course it could be elsewhere. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 51 minutes ago, JohnR said: I had assumed a Scottish colliery, but of course it could be elsewhere. It could be an 'LS' in the centre? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 19 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19 Could be, but it really looks like two words to me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 If the source is a published photo see if there's a photo credit. If it's one of the photo libraries, HMRS etc you may be able to approach them directly for a higher resolution copy, possibly just of that lettering. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 19 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19 You could wade through all these: http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/377.html Fife collieries probably the nearest to Angus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 20 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20 16 hours ago, Wheatley said: If the source is a published photo see if there's a photo credit. If it's one of the photo libraries, HMRS etc you may be able to approach them directly for a higher resolution copy, possibly just of that lettering. Thanks - this is the best copy the HMRS can provide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 20 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20 15 hours ago, melmerby said: You could wade through all these: http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/377.html Fife collieries probably the nearest to Angus It was my assumption that Fife collieries were most likely, but I've looked at the lists and cant see any names which seem (to my eyes anyway) to fit the writing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 As always, it's worth considering the type of coal ..... the Co-Op would have wanted good household coal ( rather than stem coal, coking coal, anthracite ) - was that available in Fife ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 3 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: As always, it's worth considering the type of coal ..... the Co-Op would have wanted good household coal ( rather than stem coal, coking coal, anthracite ) - was that available in Fife ? 3 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: As always, it's worth considering the type of coal ..... the Co-Op would have wanted good household coal ( rather than stem coal, coking coal, anthracite ) - was that available in Fife ? The fact that the wagon was to be returned to a specific colliery suggests that the co op had a long term deal with this particular mine. Perhaps held shares? This would add weight to the argument for the colliery being local to Brechin. If this co op were aiming to source coal from outside the local area it might be more likely to be delivered in the colliery owners wagons on an ad hoc basis as the co op took advantage of best prices available at that time. When I get a little time I might have a look through the Powsides catalogue for other co op societies and see if any of those are tied to a particular colliery. You are right of course about the different types of coal. Research on our Selby project has revealed that the price of a ton of coal to the customer could vary by over 50% depending on the nature of the coal supplied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 20 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, doilum said: When I get a little time I might have a look through the Powsides catalogue for other co op societies and see if any of those are tied to a particular colliery. I've got a fair few limited edition Bachmann Co-op wagons (NRM + Warley etc), I shall see where there are returned to, none however (AFAIK) are Scots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 19/03/2024 at 12:41, Paul H Vigor said: -----wood? Could be Earlswood Colliery, but that's in South Wales. I tend to agree. Could be Waleswood which was in Rotherham ISTR. Almost certainly ends with "wood" which doesn't really seem very Scottish as a place name. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 14 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: I tend to agree. Could be Waleswood which was in Rotherham ISTR. Almost certainly ends with "wood" which doesn't really seem very Scottish as a place name. Jason Whitwood? Briggs&co Castleford. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 20 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20 24 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: I tend to agree. Could be Waleswood which was in Rotherham ISTR. Almost certainly ends with "wood" which doesn't really seem very Scottish as a place name. Jason The list on the Scottish mining website has the following collieries ending in "wood" Maxwood (Ayrshire) Wellwood (Ayrshire) Knightswood (Dumbarton) Lingerwood (Edinburgh) Eddlewood (Lanarkshire) Haywood (Lanarkshire) Kirkwood (Lanarkshire) Milnwood (Lanarkshire) Westwood (Lanarkshire) Barrwood (Stirlingshire) I *think* it might be Eddlewood - if I squint, it looks like it might start with a Big curly E, and possibly have two dds? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 7 minutes ago, JohnR said: The list on the Scottish mining website has the following collieries ending in "wood" Maxwood (Ayrshire) Wellwood (Ayrshire) Knightswood (Dumbarton) Lingerwood (Edinburgh) Eddlewood (Lanarkshire) Haywood (Lanarkshire) Kirkwood (Lanarkshire) Milnwood (Lanarkshire) Westwood (Lanarkshire) Barrwood (Stirlingshire) I *think* it might be Eddlewood - if I squint, it looks like it might start with a Big curly E, and possibly have two dds? Could be Eddlewood, but looks like there is an S in the photo. . ...SWOOD Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 20 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Could be Eddlewood, but looks like there is an S in the photo. . ...SWOOD Jason Could very well be a fancy S - I had thought it might be an ampersand, given there seemed to be some space preceding and following it. It is named as Eddleswood colliery on the RAILSCOT page, however? https://www.railscot.co.uk/companies/H/Hamilton_and_Strathaven_Railway/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 20 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20 I've had a look at 2 hours ago, melmerby said: I've got a fair few limited edition Bachmann Co-op wagons (NRM + Warley etc), I shall see where there are returned to, none however (AFAIK) are Scots. Of my 24 or 25 Bachmann Co-op wagons, only one has a "return to" and that is in the south somewhere 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 As someone who grew up on the other side of the road from the Eddlewood estate it diffenately never had an 'S' in it. Dave. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 It's a lead. I do think Eddlewood is a possibility as it's on the CR as is Brechin. Might be worth looking up Brechin United Co-op, although it does sound like a football team. There actually was a short lived team called Brechin United. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brechin_F.C. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Don’t let historic variations in spelling rule out a possibility. Especially where railways are concerned! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Eddlewood Colliery was open from 1875 to 1910 so is a possibility ..... but if your layout's after that date you might have to think again ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 20 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: Might be worth looking up Brechin United Co-op, Hope for better luck than me. I did find some pages on Brechin History, but nowt about Co-op coal wagons. There was also a Brechin Equitable Co-op! (No connection AFAIK) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 My good lady is incredibly short sighted. Without her glasses she can read the washing instructions on a gnats underwear. No definitive answers sadly but she supports the earlier idea of two words and an ampersand. She suggested, without any prompting, that the first word might be “Bute”. I am aware that the Bute fortunes were made in the Welsh valleys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) A really daft question. Are we sure that the Brechin is the one in Scotland? i entered “ Brechin” into google maps and one option seemed to be for the Wrexham area. Unfortunately it will now only recognise the settlement in Scotland. Edited March 20 by doilum 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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