Baby Deltic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 You have no idea how jealous I am! Its such a shame that no NBL main line diesels survived. If lady luck had just swung slightly the other way we'd have a 21, 22 and a 41 with us now, but alas nothing......... Its sheer bad luck that D6319 got cut up after it was 'preserved'. I would imagine the buyers felt a bit short changed when they were given D821 as compensation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) ... headcode. ..Did they just not use them in the Scottish region? They did on inter-Regionals, and certainly in the mid 70s* I remember them in use on Aberdeen - GQS/Edinburgh and possibly other principal internal services, but otherwise they were generally rare. To be fair, if you were halfway up the WHL or the Far North and didnt know what train you were signalling, there'd be not much helping you * Edit - t'would be my 1975 Railrover, as the '76 one was post-'0000' era. Edited December 5, 2011 by Pennine MC 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Its sheer bad luck that D6319 got cut up after it was 'preserved'. I would imagine the buyers felt a bit short changed when they were given D821 as compensation. I would have done thats for sure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted December 6, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2011 ScR Drivers knew where they were going and what they were pulling, and in most cases the signalmen & station staff knew what to expect and when, so full train reporting Numbers were only for foreigners and (g)numpties. If the driver didn't know, then he probably hadn't signed the route, so it was down to the Second Man. Hat, coat, galoshes & any other outdoor apparel that you can think of has now been donned and can just be discerned through the rolling Scotch mist as I retreat. Regards Ian 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 well id like a class 29 but now i think id like a pet otter moreso 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1059 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 well id like a class 29 but now i think id like a pet otter moreso Many moons ago I visited the Otter sanctuary adjacent to the station at Buckfastleigh.................................the stench was indescribable, no wonder they spend so much time in the water STEVE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 id still like one, would take it to model railway exhibitions, smell wouldnt be a problem i said earlier a few shots appear in "On Scottish lines" ive looked in it and its not that book, does anyone know of a book, hardback I think with a few colour shots of green class 29s in? the shots are of them working trains on the west highland line i think, Its puzzling me now trying to remember the book title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Heyday of the Scottish Diesels by Derek Cross perchance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 im not sure as i had the book when i weathered my Hornby one in the mid 90s, i think that book is 2002?, and it may have been one i borrowed from a club member rather from my dads collection. ill know it when i see it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 yeah it is 2002. Theres about a dozen good 29 shots in it mind you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 yeah it is 2002. Theres about a dozen good 29 shots in it mind you Would that 2002 book be The Heyday of the Scottish Diesels? Title Page 6121/32 Grangemouth Sept 1971 Page 40 6112 Cader April 1971 Page 44 D6107 Crainlarich Page 45 D6103 Monnessie Gorge April 1968 Page 46 D6103 Fort William April 1968 Page 47 D6129 Corpach April 1968 Page 48 D6129 Locheilside April 1967 Page 63 6112 Dundee Tay Bridge August 1969 Page 66 6116 Friarton Shed August 1969 Page 69 6132 Grangemouth September 1961 This is a fabulous volume, all color, really is a nice addition to a library... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 2 class 21's at Maud junction http://www.flickr.com/photos/lonegroover/3551960041/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 some nice pics of 21's with snowploughs which i think look good on them in Scottish branch lines by C J Gammell still cant find the book i mentioned earlier though, it was a 1990s release, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 nice pic of a tatty blue one here.. http://www.railwayherald.co.uk/imaging.centre/showimage.php?image=216047&gallery=X3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 nice pic of a tatty blue one here.. http://www.railwayhe...6047&gallery=X3 Arrhhh D6108 had an increadably short active life as a 29, IIRC less than 18 months before it was sidelined. Looks like its a bit cooked! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Oh that's just so photogenic, I know they never worked the Waverley Route but I won't be able to resist Dapol's when it's released. Having seen their 22 in the plastic yesterday for the first time, I'm sorely tempted to bring my Forest of Dean fantasy shunting puzzle forward by a couple of years... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Oh that's just so photogenic, I know they never worked the Waverley Route but I won't be able to resist Dapol's when it's released. Having seen their 22 in the plastic yesterday for the first time, I'm sorely tempted to bring my Forest of Dean fantasy shunting puzzle forward by a couple of years... All these seriously tasty models that have been released in the last couple of years, its painfull to model any area/era because so many are just not right! I think I might just bury my head in the clouds and run what I damn well like! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I think I might just bury my head in the clouds and run what I damn well like! I do and it's most enjoyable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Arrhhh D6108 had an increadably short active life as a 29, IIRC less than 18 months before it was sidelined. Looks like its a bit cooked! Loks like its had a traction motor flashover and bogie fire. (I'll bet there will be comments now about bogies of the nasal kind burning) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Loks like its had a traction motor flashover and bogie fire. (I'll bet there will be comments now about bogies of the nasal kind burning) You'd have thought with the scrapping of class 21s at the time, BR would have swapped its bogie out for a good one off a 21. What a crazy waste of money! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waveydavey Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) If the driver didn't know, then he probably hadn't signed the route, If the driver sign the route he wouldn't be driving the train anyway. It's a DoT legal requirement that drivers must only work trains over routes they are familiar. Cheers David Edited December 17, 2011 by Waveydavey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 If the driver sign the route he wouldn't be driving the train anyway. It's a DoT legal requirement that drivers must only work trains over routes they are familiar. Cheers David You can be conducted over a route you don't sign by another driver who does sign it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 17, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2011 You can be conducted over a route you don't sign by another driver who does sign it Exactly so - and sorry to continue slightly O/T but since when has there been a 'DoT legal requirement' in respect of Driver's route knowledge, as far as I'm aware it has always been a managerial issue and presumably still is as route knowledge maintenance standards differ between operators as does road learning methodology in some respects. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 You'd have thought with the scrapping of class 21s at the time, BR would have swapped its bogie out for a good one off a 21. What a crazy waste of money! I suppose there's no telling when it could happen. There's the case of the fire which led to 45106's demise, apparently the result of a flash-over which was caused by loose terminals on a traction motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 Ancy updates on the progress of these from Dapol at Aly Pally. Would of asked them myself if i could of got there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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