Fireline Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Face it - we live in a capitalist society! Hattons and Heljan are in business to sell models and presumably know their market. They have taken a business decision that there are enough customers around who want a Class 14 and are prepared to pay the asking price. If they are wrong, then they'll have to lower the price to get rid of the surplus stock - Hattons are not unknown for doing this. If they are right, however, those who choose not to purchase or who wait for the price to go down will have to do without the model - it's as simple as that. This isn't a new phenomenon - way back in the 1960s highly desirable Far East handbuilt brass models were being imported which most of us had to do without as we couldn't afford them. The fact that the high-end models of today use the same production methods as mainstream models doesn't alter the facts. The Class 14, pilot scheme Warship, City of Truro, Beattie 2-4-0T, etc. are all limited production models commissioned by others than the manufacturer, and as such are a financial gamble. As in all other areas of life, just because we can't afford things doesn't entitle us to suggest that they shouldn't be marketed. Regards, John Isherwood. Thanks John. An intelligent and reasoned answer. I have myself put my name down for two of those specials you mention, and although I wasn't overly impressed with the proce of the class 14, I wanted one. I decided that the anger at not getting one would be greater than the mild agony of having to let the moths out of my wallet. This hobby is getting consistently more expensive, and we have to choose what we actually want, rather than what "would be nice". But, in my opinion, there is too much "chipping" at prices. Don't like them? Don't pay them! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluex5 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 I notice that the larger RTR steam outline stuff has been getting more expensive in the past year yet this hasn't caused the baaaaaawing that the price of a limited run diesel has. I've bought Hornby Bullied Pacifics in the past for ??50 - 65, yet the same model wouldn't give me much change from ??100 these days, and it's a mass produced catalogue model. They are model trains, not water and medicine, and if you don't like the prices been charged then simply vote with your wallet. As above I'm sure if Hattons have messed up their pricing then they'll discount those remaining unsold. Somehow I doubt that'll happen though...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 If you can't justify the pricing for the Hattons class 14 i'd wait a year and see what Bachmann do otherwise you can always buy one in the next batch or kit build. There are other options currently with a class 14 at least. I personally don't believe this needed to be a limited edition and it seems neither did Bachmann if they;ve managed to do it in the vastly smaller n-gauge market! I really do hope this ltd edition doesn't put them off up scaling and that their perceived demand figure does allow a lower price point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Competition is the main (only?) reason prices drop so much from the RRP. There are many box shifters that cut their profits to the bone but make it up with quantity over price. There are a great many markets out there where you pay full RRP and thats it! The reason some of these models appear a bit dear is cos they can charge what they want. There is noone to compete against so they stay at full price for as long as people are prepared to pay it. Hattons and the NRM are but two examples. I suppose people see them as expensive as they are a higher prive than bigger, fancier locos but the price is dictated as much by the aforementioned reasons as by production costs. It boils down to how much do you want it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwrcolin Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I wonder if they are on there way from Denbmark yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted January 26, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2010 I wonder if they are on there way from Denbmark yet? Not mentioned in their latest mailing list I've just received. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 26, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2010 Not mentioned in their latest mailing list I've just received. If they don't get a shift on they might well find Bachmann anouncing a 4mm version of theirs and then start getting cancellations from folk who are happy to wait a few(?) months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 They're just waiting for the replacement chassis... Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold LH&JC Posted January 26, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2010 They're just waiting for the replacement chassis... Dave. Don't tempt fate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted February 1, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2010 Official announcement here: http://www.ehattons.com/newsdetail.aspx?id=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 1, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2010 excellent, an NCB one in time for Warwick/Nottm/mansfield shows, now all I need is loads of banger blue diesels to have a different period for day two ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Official announcement here: http://www.ehattons.com/newsdetail.aspx?id=20 Right - now to start planning !! That gaping hole in the bufferbeam http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=24327 will have to go. Does anyone know of a source of the distinctive lemon yellow paint that was used on the bufferbeams the D95xx, maroon Warships and Westerns? Having seen brand new examples of all of these at the time, I know that it was NOT the same as standard BR warning panel yellow. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdjr78 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 There may be some spare bufferbeams supplied with the model for unsing in a showcase. Werner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Does anyone know of a source of the distinctive lemon yellow paint that was used on the bufferbeams the D95xx, maroon Warships and Westerns? Seaboard Air Line Railroad Yellow is spot on... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Seaboard Air Line Railroad Yellow is spot on... That's very useful, thanks. Does anyone know of a UK supplier of Floquil acrylics? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redkiterail Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 That's very useful, thanks. Does anyone know of a UK supplier of Floquil acrylics? Regards, John Isherwood. here is one uk source: uk source Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 here is one uk source: uk source Many thanks indeed. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markmiller2008 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 excellent, an NCB one in time for Warwick/Nottm/mansfield shows, now all I need is loads of banger blue diesels to have a different period for day two ...... You might have my green one to play with as well Ian , if i chip it. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 3, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2010 Annoyingly, despite all the delays etc I still only have a half done sound project for the 14 - the Lokprogrammer has not been out of the box for over a year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markmiller2008 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 ooh! Ian you would make me happy if u did a sound chip for a 14 , ive got a load of recordings from D9539 at GWSR a few years back somewhere if they are any help. Although they off a video and i havent worked out how to get the sounds of the video on the pc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 3, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2010 Bloke who works for the same company as me is a volunteer diesel fitter at the WSR...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 3, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2010 Just received this email from Hattons: Hello, This item, viewable at http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=24329 should be into stock on Friday 5th Feb 2010. We plan to process and pack orders over the weekend and despatch the majority of them on Monday 8th Feb 2010. We hope that this information is of interest to you Regards Richard Davies --------------------------------------------------- Hattons Model Railways http://www.ehattons.com 0151 733 3655 Lines open Mon-Sat 8am-6pm Sun 10am-4pm --------------------------------------------------- B) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 3, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2010 There may be some spare bufferbeams supplied with the model for unsing in a showcase. Werner I sincerely hope that this is the case... I've e-mailed them, asking the question. Edit - I've just checked a couple of the pre-production photos, and the holes are present on those bodies, yet I can't remember anyone mentioning them at the time.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 At this rate every layout is going to have one - it could all become a bit silly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redkiterail Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 If you go out into the woods today you will find .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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