RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 28, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) There seems to be no hard and fast rule about which side had the larger window or if the loco had one. Well spotted Engine Shed. An extract from the Class 16 information sheet which I compiled for the models. . During 1962/3 all received the obligatory yellow warning panels on the nose ends with D8404,6 and 8 having the access panel on No.2 end painted yellow rather than above the buffer beam. During the end of their lives’ the livery was changed slightly to incorporate a full yellow nose end with D8400-3,6-8 being so treated. All retained their ‘D’ numbers and non received the double arrow emblem. Non were painted blue. Little in the way of visual modifications were applied and these were carried out in 1965 concentrating around the removal of the side grilles on the external resistor cabinets in front of the cabs to prevent water ingress and the replacement of the cab sliding windows with slightly deeper units on all but D8400,2 & 4, the original Perspex sliders having the tendancy to fall out on the track! Hope this is of interest' We chose to adopt the original style cab side windows as this is applicable to all loco's in the class. As they say "It is easier to take material away than to put it back". Hi Grahame Thanks for the information about the side windows. It seems a few more than noted and now there is a rule about which ones were fitted with the deeper window, those who lost their's on the way home Edited November 28, 2012 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 ... and the replacement of the cab sliding windows with slightly deeper units on all but D8400,2 & 4, the original Perspex sliders having the tendancy to fall out on the track! Hope this is of interest' We chose to adopt the original style cab side windows as this is applicable to all loco's in the class. As they say "It is easier to take material away than to put it back". Thank for that! I was almost afraid to say anything, as I didn't want to criticize, it is such a nice looking locomotive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 it is such a nice looking locomotive. Should have gone to Specsavers. It's a horrible ugly box and the multitude of openings hardly add to it's charm. However it will fit in perfectly with the Class 15 and the wagon basher on my Essex backwater. Resistance is futile. Heljan have certainly made modelling East Anglian byways in the transition period a viable possibility. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckjumper Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It's a horrible ugly box and the multitude of openings hardly add to it's charm. It has character! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I rather liked the shape - squarer and more modern looking than the BTH class 15s. It's a pity the dull livery application did nothing to enhance the looks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrushVeteran Posted December 16, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2012 I rather liked the shape - squarer and more modern looking than the BTH class 15s. It's a pity the dull livery application did nothing to enhance the looks. Well hopefully these livery samples will brighten things up a bit! These basic bodyshell mouldings have just been received and approved, subject to one or two small alterations, and I think represent one of the best detailed diesel models that Heljan have done so far. There will be over 20 seperatately fitted metal parts and the paint finish and printing is some of the best yet.......even the works numbers correct for each loco are legible under a magnifying glass! These images don't really do them full justice, having been taken quickly on my kitchen table with a small camera, but I thought you may like to see them anyway..........to wet your appetites. ETA should be March-April hopefully. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) I hope nobody took my comment the wrong way: I was referring to the dull livery applications on the prototypes. The models and their livery applications look to be very good. It certainly wasn't Heljan's fault that BR chose fairly unimaginative liveries for these locomotives. Thanks for posting those photos, too. Edited December 16, 2012 by SRman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I hope nobody took my comment the wrong way: I was referring to the dull livery applications on the prototypes. The models and their livery applications look to be very good. It certainly wasn't Heljan's fault that BR chose fairly unimaginative liveries for these locomotives. Thanks for posting those photos, too. It's OK I know what you meant SR Man, it just seemed a good opportunity to post the images against your comment! I never thought a model of such an ungainly prototype would ever be produced, but having worked on the R&D on this for the last couple of years it has 'grown' on me. It has turned out into a nice chunky and heavy little model which should please the ER diesel modelling fraternity. A few sleepy little ER branch line layouts seem to be calling.....Buntingford, Braintree, Aldeburgh, Hadleigh, Southminster,..............all within rescuing distance from Stratford! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted December 16, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) It's OK I know what you meant SR Man, it just seemed a good opportunity to post the images against your comment! I never thought a model of such an ungainly prototype would ever be produced, but having worked on the R&D on this for the last couple of years it has 'grown' on me. It has turned out into a nice chunky and heavy little model which should please the ER diesel modelling fraternity. A few sleepy little ER branch line layouts seem to be calling.....Buntingford, Braintree, Aldeburgh, Hadleigh, Southminster,..............all within rescuing distance from Stratford! Hi Graham At a show I was running my D8407 on the club layout when a ex Stratford driver said "That would never happen". "What, Gordon?" was my reply. "That thing moving." answered Gordon, " I would have found something to fail it before leaving shed. They would get you where you were going but not home." Still now I have seen the pinted bodies I have just odered 2 from Hattons to go with my four home made ones. Edited December 16, 2012 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Only four more to go, Clive, and you'll have the whole fleet! I can *sort of* justify one for my layout for inter-regional transfer freights around the London area - same reason I have a class 15! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I'll get mine on order soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I've had one on order since they where announced. Not sure why I'm really looking forward to this model more than any other, maybe it's because someone had the balls to make something I never thought would be available RTR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted December 17, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2012 getting tempted to a plain green as built one ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 17, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2012 getting tempted to a plain green as built one ..... I can also feel a twinge in the wallet looking at these. I only saw three of them, but they seemed exotic at the time. Reliability and availability were issues one knew nothing about. As for boring liveries, I'm afraid I'm only really interested in green diesels before the awful yellow paint appeared. It takes all sorts! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I reckon I'll go for the whole class as there were only 10 of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted December 17, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2012 I reckon I'll go for the whole class as there were only 10 of them. Just as well you're not a class 08 fan then. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) I reckon I'll go for the whole class as there were only 10 of them. If that's the case then Lloyd I'll make sure we include D8402/3/6 & 8 in the next batch! By the way I'm actually staying the night in Sumatra Road tomorrow! Edited December 17, 2012 by BrushVeteran 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 If that's the case then Lloyd I'll make sure we include D8402/3/6 & 8 in the next batch! By the way I'm actually staying the night in Sumatra Road tomorrow! Maybe we can get a class 16 running on Sumatra Road at Watford F.S. \ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted December 17, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2012 Maybe we can get a class 16 running on Sumatra Road at Watford F.S. \ Hi Lloyd If Graham cannot help you can borrow one of mine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckjumper Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) If that's the case then Lloyd I'll make sure we include D8406 in the next batch! That's the one I want! All green or SSYP would be perfect... I've never wish-listed before. That was some experience... Edited December 17, 2012 by Buckjumper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 That's the one I want! All green or SSYP would be perfect... I've never wish-listed before. That was some experience... Modelling the Buntingford branch, are we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckjumper Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) Modelling the Buntingford branch, are we? It's my local, and I've had a couple of stabs at it over the last 30 years. #1 son likes our pair of BTH Type 1s and D8406 would be perfect if we had another go. Widford would be nice; small with a couple of sidings and the bridge at one end. Edited December 17, 2012 by Buckjumper 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Cheers Grahame They are looking really good, looking foward to getting my hands on these, the detailing on them is immense. I dont suppose you have any pre production photos to put on the Baby Deltic thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 D8403 by hugh llewelyn, on Flickr D8404 by hugh llewelyn, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Delivery advised June 2013 today by Hattons, at least for my plain green one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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