talisman56 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Not necessarily the sign, but the Facebook response... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGraphics Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 From https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article210654079.html Sorry to be a party pooper, but the photo really is fake. That's according to Visit KC spokesperson Derek Klaus, who said it "has been doctored to include a misspelling where there is none." If that has been "doctored" (and as a graphics specialist I have a some doubt about that) it has been done absolutely expertly! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted July 27, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2018 The undoctored sign: https://www.google.ie/search?q=kc+anal+fake+sign&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwybC3677cAhUhLcAKHRAVDBcQ_AUIESgB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=9rfv10FORosfpM: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted July 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2018 If that has been "doctored" (and as a graphics specialist I have a some doubt about that) it has been done absolutely expertly! John And quite apt for a city that has an area called ' West Bottoms' http://www.westbottoms.com/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGraphics Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 The undoctored sign: https://www.google.ie/search?q=kc+anal+fake+sign&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwybC3677cAhUhLcAKHRAVDBcQ_AUIESgB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=9rfv10FORosfpM: Still not entirely convinced. The "wrong" poster could have been quickly replaced. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2018 The undoctored sign: https://www.google.ie/search?q=kc+anal+fake+sign&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwybC3677cAhUhLcAKHRAVDBcQ_AUIESgB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=9rfv10FORosfpM: Still not entirely convinced. The "wrong" poster could have been quickly replaced. John If you look closely at the two signs you will see how on the doctored sign the letters have been slightly enlarged to fit in the same space. As you said its been very cleverly doctored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Why is this 'no access' sign needed. There are more on other platforms at both ends of Reading station. I can't remember what the ones at the up end say.. Surely the drivers don't choose their routes? That's the signallers job. Are these just in case the signaller doesn't know what motive power is in use? Are there clearance issues if bi-modes run on the lines indicated? Edited July 31, 2018 by phil_sutters 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 If you look closely at the two signs you will see how on the doctored sign the letters have been slightly enlarged to fit in the same space. As you said its been very cleverly doctored. Also the only "funny" sign that has been on social media is the one in front of Cascone's restaurant whereas these identical signs would likely be on every other tram (trolley) stop in the city as well as other locations.. They don't just print one of them! Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Why is this 'no access' sign needed. There are more on other platforms at both ends of Reading station. I can't remember what the ones at the up end say.. Surely the drivers don't choose their routes? That's the signallers job. Are these just in case the signaller doesn't know what motive power is in use? Are there clearance issues if bi-modes run on the lines indicated? No electric trains to Westbury Reading 27 7 2018.jpg Similar signs have been in use in lots of locations for many years (since the WCML electrification in the 60s I think). I guess there's nothing wrong with a reminder, so long as it doesn't lead to information overload. The cost of all the signs in a location would probably be less than the cost of one overrun in terms of delay to other trains, recovery of the stranded electric etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2018 Similar signs have been in use in lots of locations for many years (since the WCML electrification in the 60s I think). I guess there's nothing wrong with a reminder, so long as it doesn't lead to information overload. The cost of all the signs in a location would probably be less than the cost of one overrun in terms of delay to other trains, recovery of the stranded electric etc. Who needs reminding? The driver knows which type of train he is using and now presumably whether it should be in diesel or electric mode and should also know his route. It is only if the signaller has set the wrong route that the driver needs to react to this notice. I assume in this technically advanced age signallers have information on the power details of the trains they control. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) It's just an additional aid to the driver Phil, in the early days of OLE you'd be surprised how many AC locos or units were driven past the point where the knitting stopped (often in sidings and yards etc) with pantographs pinging skyward causing all sorts of chaos. We do know what type of traction we're driving but the signallers don't always know, Tops can be wrong sometimes - in the case of a last minute loco change he / she could set the wrong route and a driver take it, it still happens on the odd occasion. Edited July 31, 2018 by Rugd1022 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Er no we don't, only by doing trust /tops enquiries, for which we haven't really got time to do. Wrong routes do happen, and signs like that do help to stop odd situations, although some drivers still take the routes with interesting endings.... Like the time a 317 took the Peterborough road at Ely North Junction shortly after electrification. It is alleged that the unit got so far that something like 10 sets of 317's had to be found to reach it and drag it back to the wires...... Andy G Edited July 31, 2018 by uax6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2018 It might also be a useful reminder during engineering possessions? Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 Why is this 'no access' sign needed. There are more on other platforms at both ends of Reading station. I can't remember what the ones at the up end say.. Surely the drivers don't choose their routes? That's the signallers job. Are these just in case the signaller doesn't know what motive power is in use? Are there clearance issues if bi-modes run on the lines indicated? No electric trains to Westbury Reading 27 7 2018.jpg Similar signs have been in use in lots of locations for many years (since the WCML electrification in the 60s I think). I guess there's nothing wrong with a reminder, so long as it doesn't lead to information overload. The cost of all the signs in a location would probably be less than the cost of one overrun in terms of delay to other trains, recovery of the stranded electric etc. Its happened several times on the London Underground, especially where tube and surface stock share the same tracks. Service can be seriously disrupted as often the only option is to return 'wrong line'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted July 31, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2018 Er no we don't, only by doing trust /tops enquiries, for which we haven't really got time to do. Wrong routes do happen, and signs like that do help to stop odd situations, although some drivers still take the routes with interesting endings.... Like the time a 317 took the Peterborough road at Ely North Junction shortly after electrification. It is alleged that the unit got so far that something like 10 sets of 317's had to be found to reach it and drag it back to the wires...... Andy G Might have been easier to find one diesel loco instead of ten EMUs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 Might have been easier to find one diesel loco instead of ten EMUs. Might have been harder to couple it up though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 Why is this 'no access' sign needed. There are more on other platforms at both ends of Reading station. I can't remember what the ones at the up end say.. Surely the drivers don't choose their routes? That's the signallers job. Are these just in case the signaller doesn't know what motive power is in use? Are there clearance issues if bi-modes run on the lines indicated?[/size] No electric trains to Westbury Reading 27 7 2018.jpg Hi Phil, Without looking up the requirements in the "standards" to confirm, I suggest the sign you are referring is for the same reason the 40mph sign is there - as a reminder device. Just in case the signaller (or ARS) sets the wrong route, the drivers can double check before setting off. Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 Might have been easier to find one diesel loco instead of ten EMUs. Might have been harder to couple it up though. At the time finding a loco which would couple up to BSI tightlocks was a bit of a challenge in this neck of the woods, and at first it wasn't realised just how far the driver had managed to get off the wires. Those around at the time do say that it did become a bit of a farce as they tried to find units from the area to drag it back..... Andy g 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Who needs reminding? The driver knows which type of train he is using and now presumably whether it should be in diesel or electric mode and should also know his route. It is only if the signaller has set the wrong route that the driver needs to react to this notice. I assume in this technically advanced age signallers have information on the power details of the trains they control. Well yes, but we're all human. For my work I know I need to spellchack documents after I've created them, and cross-check I haven't mis-copied any numbers, and that I've formatted it according to the guidelines, and read it back out loud to make sure it sounds a bit like English. But I still use a checklist of reminders to make sure I do all those things in the right order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 I think this nicely fits the "stating the obvious" tag for this thread: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 And perhaps the "safety of trains may be affected" bit should have been removed from the template for this sign. (What is "The Railway Authority" anyway?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 And perhaps the "safety of trains may be affected" bit should have been removed from the template for this sign. (What is "The Railway Authority" anyway?) Safety_of_trains.png The Railway Authority is Network Rail's route control room, using Railway Authority is slightly clearer and saves time if NR was to change it's name! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2018 Well yes, but we're all human. I know I need to spellchack documents after I've created them, Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2018 Perhaps he works for Kansas City Tourist Board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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