Multiple identity account 2 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 @ ASH The names plates are printed on so that When a customer is fixing the etched ones they don't jus stick it on anywhere! It serves as a guide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridwatcher Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Re: the missing pipes and front skirting. Have you contacted Hornby to ask about it? I just wonder if it's an oversight, like the 31's and missing high intensity light blister, and they should be supplied with it all. Especially when their ads all show it! My reference to 'missing pipes/skirts' wasn't anything to do with a model I own, just a comment on photo posted on the day they first arrived that lacked all of the above. I reserve judgment until I see one all properly 'done up' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 @ ASH The names plates are printed on so that When a customer is fixing the etched ones they don't jus stick it on anywhere! It serves as a guide. I suppose you have to assume people wouldnt think to look for a picture of the real loco at all? Its an obvious thing for a modeller to do but... Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I suppose you have to assume people wouldnt think to look for a picture of the real loco at all? Its an obvious thing for a modeller to do but... Cheers Jim But yet there are people who are quite absent minded! And anyway Ash asked why was it printed and I just gave the answer that Hornby gave me. I mailed them about it, frankly a printed nameplate on a body-side that is corrugated is quite ridiculous. Don't you think it would be easier to just know where the plate goes than to literally scan for pictures, yes they are in abundance on the internet but still - it makes it quicker for the modeller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 To me it looks a good model, but let down by some silly errors and build quality ... Ill agree with Jim that the roof grill sits too high, making it look odd .. and as perviously mentioned, all those moulded bits on the front arnt really aceeptable when rest of the model is so highly detailed NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 it makes it quicker for the modeller You cant 'model' anything unless you look at the real thing - its that simple! I agree it makes it easier for the 'consumer' though One thing that stands out to me (not knowing 67's at all) from the prototype pictures that Jim posted is that the roof lines curve downwards at the ends on the real thing and dont on the model. The fact that the top appears right and the other angles dont would indicate that the shape of the roof (face on) is out somehow. Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 To me it looks a good model, but let down by some silly errors .... NL Add the bogie sideframes to that just spotted spring pockets/axleboxes are all squashed up, and the dampers are too small - the lima moulding looks a bit better - i havent even got my 67 yet and im chopping it up jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridwatcher Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 ....the black line around the side window and below it are too fine on the model too......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Dear all Thank you for all the reviews/comments to date which have been duly noted. Will hang on-to my 'Limby' 67005 'Queens Messenger' for a little longer. At least until the EWS version has been given the once over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Here's a Lima 67 and the new Hornby offering... Some significant changes on the front.... Make your own mind up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wherry Lines Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 If anything, those photos highlight how good the Lima 67 is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted September 2, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2012 piccie of the real 67012, same end as martin's picture above, scotish flag decals anyone? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/s-type-driver/c0c9ca43.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Add the bogie sideframes to that just spotted spring pockets/axleboxes are all squashed up, and the dampers are too small - the lima moulding looks a bit better - i havent even got my 67 yet and im chopping it up jon That poor 67 Jon NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 ....the black line around the side window and below it are too fine on the model too......... I expect that would be a relatively easy fix with a lil bit of masking tape and some black paint right?? By the way does anyone have pictures of the new model with all the detailing bits added? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 You cant 'model' anything unless you look at the real thing - its that simple! I agree it makes it easier for the 'consumer' though One thing that stands out to me (not knowing 67's at all) from the prototype pictures that Jim posted is that the roof lines curve downwards at the ends on the real thing and dont on the model. The fact that the top appears right and the other angles dont would indicate that the shape of the roof (face on) is out somehow. Cheers Jim Well Spotted! Now that's been pointed out, its impossible to ignore. How did they manage to get that shape detail wrong? Im tempted to draw parallels (pun intended) with the Dapol Western: such details were sorted out on here at the CAD stage. If we, who are mostly not professional model designers, can idntify such errors, why can't the professionals who are putting together the model in the first place? And more, why don't Hornby and Bachmann consult their customers through media such as this? As such I'm tempted to say its a MISTAKE that could have been sorted out with more attention to detail or a second opinion. This is in contrast to a design compromise. My guess is that the curved trasnition from the front to the roof will have masked any face-impacting discrepencies. But does make one wonder what else is wrong. I will doubtless get one or more when needs require and liveries attract, but its a pitty as it should have been a “Class-60-esque” definitive model – high spec, computer files (likely) available of the prototype... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs4 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 What no brake disc inserts ?? I've offered up a Hurst 67 one and a Mk3 coach one..... The 67 one is WAY TOO BIG. Disturbingly the mk3 coach one might do it...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Least it's got working lights (white & red) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trent Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 If we, who are mostly not professional model designers, can idntify such errors, why can't the professionals who are putting together the model in the first place? And more, why don't Hornby and Bachmann consult their customers through media such as this? Both valid points there. I wasn't aware of the detailed peculiarities of the design before this thread got going but is does seem that an opportunity to make the definative Class 67 model has sadly not come to fruition with this version. It's starting to go the way of the Heljan 86 discussion! Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted September 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2012 What no brake disc inserts ?? I've offered up a Hurst 67 one and a Mk3 coach one..... The 67 one is WAY TOO BIG. Disturbingly the mk3 coach one might do it...... may well get a set of those mk3 discs, they are certainly an improvement on the normal wheels now ive got mine and had a good look at it im well impressed, definatly a huge improvement over the lima model, i too have a slight flaw in the paint but nothing too obvious unless you really look for it gave it a good running in on the rolling rd before i chipped it up, dead easy to fit a sound chip, there is a cowl over the drive shafts which also houses the cab light, i have fitted the chip under that and run the speaker wires through to the fuel tanks i have fitted it with a small bass enhanced speaker as i dont have a spare rectangular lok-sound speaker, fired it up and it sounds superb, the bass speaker facing downwards sounds loads better than the chip did in the lima model with a round speaker next up is removing the wsmr decals and fitting the nameplates but thats for tomorrow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Any chance off a vid big jim when it's done Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Horn Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Just having a quick look at the brake discs, it appears to me that they are solid with the fixing bolts on the inner rim part, not like a mk3 or wagon brake disc. 67014 TJH11 Norwich Thursday 30th March 2000 Copyright Tim Horn by Tim Horn, on Flickr Cheers, Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted September 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2012 I know they are a different type but something is better than nothing, i did try and paint the disc area silver on mine earlier but it didnt look right Hopefully shawplan et al are going to be on the case soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john beckett Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I have been trying for years to get some disc brakes for my super detail Hornby/Lima model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Just having a quick look at the brake discs, it appears to me that they are solid with the fixing bolts on the inner rim part, not like a mk3 or wagon brake disc. 67014 TJH11 Norwich Thursday 30th March 2000 Copyright Tim Horn by Tim Horn, on Flickr Cheers, Tim Ouch - that photo makes for an interesting comparison to hornbys bogies tfn Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWT442 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Regarding the brake discs, I have a set fitted to a Lima 67, which are just visible in the attached pic. (I could do a closer pic if interested?) These where produced by Intercity Models (http://www.intercity...ccessories.html About half-way down, item ICA33) (I must add, my weathering skills have gotten better since I did this loco!) Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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