Guest Belgian Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 No one but me would want to see this, but a replica 60500, Edward Thompson, thus filling the last "missing link" in terms of LNER CME designed Pacifics. Of course, there's three other classes needed to complete the lineup...! I think your post #5 was nearer the mark Simon! The original Gresley 'Cock o'the North' was surely the most beautiful British steam locomotive and has the greatest 'wow' factor of all. JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With two different groups proposing P2 replicas would it not make sense if they pooled their resources and made one engine that could be converted to run with either the Bugatti front or the original front? It would be cheaper than two complete engines would it not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With two different groups proposing P2 replicas would it not make sense if they pooled their resources and made one engine that could be converted to run with either the Bugatti front or the original front? It would be cheaper than two complete engines would it not? Not really...there are some things that may be ordered together. Two different locomotives in some respects - one British caprotti, one walschaerts. One Bugatti, one with deflectors. I think two P2s, done well, could both be sustained in the Railtour market. Such different looking and both powerful machines - the superior adhesion and high speed running factor would make them more comfortable with section to section timings, one would think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted January 16, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2012 and high speed running factor What's that Simon? The things only had / will have 6'2" drivers so not that high speed surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 We already have a magnificent crowd puller in the form of the streamlined Duchess in the NRM. But realstically, the original P2 has it too. Even Channel 4 couldn't pick a better name than 'Cock 'O the North'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Personally I can't wait til the replica Patriot ' The Unknown Warrior ' gets on the rails, and it could be earlier than planned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 What's that Simon? The things only had / will have 6'2" drivers so not that high speed surely? Sorry Phil, 75 was "high speed" in my thoughts! I meant to say "sustained high speed", and to be frank 75mph looks like the top whack for mainline steam at this moment in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 The railtour market can easily sustain 2 P2's. As things stand, the A1SLT trust may decide against a P2 for something else. That being said, all projects should be supported by us, we should avoid the temptation to 'rubbish' any proposals. A modern day 'Hush Hush' sounds like just the ticket. Gresley wasn't far off getting her right, surely some modern engineering techniques would sort the poor steaming issues. Even the later 60700 would be interesting, with potential for the addition of an auto-stoker. I'm led to believe the rebuilt 10000 was expected to be a test bed for such a modification, until Mr Hitler stuck his nose in of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy T Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Evening All. From an Enthusiasts point of view how about the Prototype locos 10000 and 10001 as these NEVER got saved ( Pitty really) and from a crowd puller point of view as many have said on here the stunning P2 with orginal Teak coaches for the Beast to pull just think about this has now made shake with excitment Oh well back to the real world Cheers AndyT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Belgian Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 What's that Simon? The things only had / will have 6'2" drivers so not that high speed surely? The Bulleid Pacifics had 6' 2" drivers, the Brits and the DoG had 6' 2" drivers and none of those were sluggards. It's all down to the valve events and cylinder design, not the size of the drivers. (Anyway, a driver who was less than 6' could still drive as quickly as a taller one - I'll get me 'at . . .) JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted January 16, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2012 The Bulleid Pacifics had 6' 2" drivers, the Brits and the DoG had 6' 2" drivers and none of those were sluggards. It's all down to the valve events and cylinder design, not the size of the drivers. (Anyway, a driver who was less than 6' could still drive as quickly as a taller one - I'll get me 'at . . .) JE Not talking about 'then', talking about now and what they are allowed to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Not talking about 'then', talking about now and what they are allowed to do. My fault for not being clear, sorry Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted January 16, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2012 OK. How about one of the "western Region" Gas turbine locos that were made as there is an empty body at Didcot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 A Reid Atlantic would be nice, but for heritage line use, I'd settle for a J37. Simon's Thompson idea would be a good yin too! Had I a blank cheque I would give consideration to doing Great Northern in all her midnight blue, cropped cab 1945 glory. My only concession would be to give her the 1946 number in plain Gill Sans just to emphasise the no-frills nature of the loco in this form! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 The railtour market can easily sustain 2 P2's. After doing a bit of track spreading in Scotland, I wonder if one will be rebuilt into a Thompson Pacific.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 16, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2012 Does'nt a Midland Spinner exist ? And the Caley 123. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted January 16, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2012 After doing a bit of track spreading in Scotland, I wonder if one will be rebuilt into a Thompson Pacific.... Wash yer mouth out! The A1 trust reckon they know what caused the problems and also what to do to correct them but a comment like that, even in jest, well..................it nearly made me drop my chocolate biccy! I would love to see a P2 in original form but perhaps even higher on my list would be a GCR Robinson Atlantic. There are enough GCR carriages undergoing restoration to be able to recreate a full GCR train and of course there is a suitable preserved section of GCR main line to run them on. What a thought. I did see the GNR single running at Loughborough around 30 years ago and it was a beautiful sight to see but somehow the Mark 1 carriages didn't quite finish off the scene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 A train of Metroplitian F Stock; built like tanks they where good workhorses. http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/F%20Stock%20FWI.htm XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 16, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2012 The Bulleid Pacifics had 6' 2" drivers, the Brits and the DoG had 6' 2" drivers and none of those were sluggards. It's all down to the valve events and cylinder design, not the size of the drivers. (Anyway, a driver who was less than 6' could still drive as quickly as a taller one - I'll get me 'at . . .) JE And Riddles 9Fs only had 5'0" drivers... Don't forget steam engine technology improved such that early "high speed" (relatively!) locos needed 8 or 9 foot drivers. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 16, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2012 Bl*e P*llm*n maybe? Oops - misread the OP - full-size, not model.......... I can see this thread turning into a full-size wishlist frothfest......................... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Well considering some of the suggestions I'd put to you ---- - Holden's Decapod . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Latterday optical alignment of cylinders etc improved the lot of preserved steam locos, or so i heard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brake Compo Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Is it just me - or does anyone else have absolutely no interest in a P2 - an oddball blind alley, and a rather ugly one at that. If one is looking at crowd pullers how about an L&LSR 4-8-0 or 4-8-4T - these would literally be crowd pullers, given that the Irish 3'-0" preservation scene is somewhat light on locos... as well as the only locos of this wheel arrangement to run on these isles. If one looks at what would be historically most interesting - how about filling the obvious gaps in what we have: a standard gauge Stephenson Patentee, a DX goods (the most numerous British loco class but no survivors - although I believe that there is one at the bottom of the North Sea somewhere - what a story that would make!), or one of the railways which are unrepresented in preservation, notably the LCDR, where the Bluebell are restoring a set of (mainly) LCDR coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I think for the biggest visual impact a Beyer-Garret would be hard to out-do! There are large Beyer-Garratt locomotives outside the UK, though I don't know how many are in operating condition right now. The QGR No. 1009 (3'6" gauge") was running in the late 1990s but is back as a static exhibit today. I don't think it's boiler ticket has expired (maybe it has) but I'm guessing that there isn't the funds or motivation to get it back on the line. It's an impressive beastie but I don't know that it draws more of a crowd than the other QGR heritage locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Natalie Graham Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well considering some of the suggestions I'd put to you ---- - Holden's Decapod . Funny, I just looked into this thread to suggest that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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