RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 2, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2013 Evening Chris. I really like the rocks that come from the rock moulds. They have loads of detail and look nice - IF they are in the right environment.... When I fitted them in place I was very happy. But after reading Scott's post and doing a LOT of Google image searches I went back and had a look - and they were just plain wrong. Like a random collection of rocks, chucked together. It had to be altered. The rocks were chiselled off the cutting face and have been binned. No regrets. Even if Scott hadn't posted his pics I'd have become unhappy. I don't like carving rock-like-structures out of plaster, but the whole scenario now fits together better. Plenty more to do, but the bridge will become part of the natural scene and not adjacent to some arbitrary collection of surroundings! Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) The second of the last two pictures is the kind that would lend itself to my attentions. It would need the camera sat in a position like you chose, but with several shots with different focus points and exposure, and I'm trying to think of a way to make the curve look less sharp too. The idea of moss and damp dark stuff in the crevices, and sooty brickwork all suitably real would make the addition of a Jubilee almost superfluous. I see that your cricketers are still resting. Ron edit, make that Rob Edited June 2, 2013 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emt_911 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Jeff That's a massive improvement. Once it's painted and weathered, a Black 5 from the same position as the second photo will be amazing. :sungum: Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) Hi Jeff; Sorry to be the stirrer.... but also glad you made the change. That photo of Blea Moor tunnel mouth you posted with the diesel has lots of detail - you can see the strata almost horizontal, even some areas where there is moss and vege on the benching, which you can use to break up the "stone wall" look that I think you were not keen on. If you google "Blea Moor South Portal" you find a few more views such as these: Hopefully these will get your creative juices flowing! Cheers; Scott Spanner-insertion-specialist-Lunester... Edited June 3, 2013 by jukebox 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) Scott - the first photo in your previous post is a really spectacular view, looking away from the south portal with Ingleborough in the background. I never came across that image in my searches - thanks for that! I'm much happier with the arrangement now, even though the rock carving isn't my preference. The rock face is also situated in just about the most awkward place in the bunker, so working "in situ" wasn't/isn't easy. Another reason it was easier to manufacture the rocks "off site" and then fix them on. The plaster is still fairly soft - I've just been and checked. I want to sharpen-up some of the cuts, then I'll paint the rock face in a mix of predominantly grey, with a bit of brown chucked in. The rock face on the near side of the main line cutting will be nigh-on impossible to do properly, due to non-accessibility. I'll make a token effort! Jeff Edited June 3, 2013 by Physicsman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Jeff; I've just noticed the rock face has actually a skin of chicken wire on it, to mitigate rockfalls... please don't be tempted to model that! I do like how there's a band of almost salmon coloured rock in the middle of the grey... you should be able to bring what you have to life, I'm sure. Cheers Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Jeff That's a massive improvement. Once it's painted and weathered, a Black 5 from the same position as the second photo will be amazing. :sungum: Duncan I took my brother into the bunker yesterday to show him what I was working on.... "But all of this is almost out of sight. Why are you spending so much time on it?", he said. It's hard to explain, isn't it? The previous arrangement was bugging me, yet I knew that it was a tiny part of the whole. I suppose we all try to do our best. One of my friends described me as an "obsessive perfectionist". I don't entirely agree, but I think there's an element of truth in it! The state of the cutting illustrates why it had to be scenics first, ballasting MUCH later!! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Jeff; I've just noticed the rock face has actually a skin of chicken wire on it, to mitigate rockfalls... please don't be tempted to model that! I do like how there's a band of almost salmon coloured rock in the middle of the grey... you should be able to bring what you have to life, I'm sure. Cheers Scott I have a limited palette of colours for rock work, but another "silver lining" in what you set in motion is that I can match the rock faces to the bridge colours a bit more closely than was previously the case. Though the rock face won't be as dark as it's not had years of soot and crap blasted onto it! Wire mesh - umm, yes. That wouldn't have been there in 1965. I know it serves a purpose, but what an eyesore! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted June 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2013 Looking good Jeff. I used the crumpled aluminium foil for a rocky bank worked quite well. Might be an idea if any of the rock faces are hidden from you. I wouldn't fancy carving rocks in a mirror (It was fun learning to solder wires to track in a mirror so they were on the hidden side. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Looking good Jeff. I used the crumpled aluminium foil for a rocky bank worked quite well. Might be an idea if any of the rock faces are hidden from you. I wouldn't fancy carving rocks in a mirror (It was fun learning to solder wires to track in a mirror so they were on the hidden side. Don Cheers Don. That's a good suggestion. I used a mirror to fit the rocks onto the "difficult" side - and that was awkward enough. I agree - carving rocks in a mirror....I'm certainly not clever enough to do that! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted June 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2013 Morning Jeff, thanks for that photo of the aqueducts from the opperating position a couple of pages back. My fear was the tracks just disappearing into two black holes but from normal viewing position they do disappear into their respective cuttings. Lots of discussion around rocks I see over the weekend. If I could remember my o-level geology it could be something to do with the bedding planes of the strata and how the beds were laid down in the first place. The Derbyshire limestone were huge reefs. The rocks around the S&C have finely divided planes like shales and slates which is why the dry stone walls of the S&C are nothing like limestone ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Morning Jeff, thanks for that photo of the aqueducts from the opperating position a couple of pages back. My fear was the tracks just disappearing into two black holes but from normal viewing position they do disappear into their respective cuttings. Lots of discussion around rocks I see over the weekend. If I could remember my o-level geology it could be something to do with the bedding planes of the strata and how the beds were laid down in the first place. The Derbyshire limestone were huge reefs. The rocks around the S&C have finely divided planes like shales and slates which is why the dry stone walls of the S&C are nothing like limestone ones. Morning Jonathan. I see what you mean about the "black holes" - but they aren't visible unless you go right to the place where the bridges are. That's why my brother was surprised at the effort I was putting into this particular section.... It's all good fun - if we didn't have a challenge, and everything was available, ready-to-use, it'd be boring! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 A bit of "rock carving" was carried out using a knife: 100_3426.JPG 100_3427.JPG And - as if I haven't got enough walls to build already - a base wall (see my Blea Moor pic in the previous post) was started... 100_3430.JPG Jeff A little bit more to come... Top pics and inspiration there Boss, I want to have a go. Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted June 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2013 Quote "It's all good fun - if we didn't have a challenge, and everything was available, ready-to-use, it'd be boring!" That's my justification for building LMS suburban coaches from bits from Comet and donations from Airfix/Mainline/Dapol coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Evening Chris. I really like the rocks that come from the rock moulds. They have loads of detail and look nice - IF they are in the right environment.... When I fitted them in place I was very happy. But after reading Scott's post and doing a LOT of Google image searches I went back and had a look - and they were just plain wrong. Like a random collection of rocks, chucked together. It had to be altered. The rocks were chiselled off the cutting face and have been binned. No regrets. Even if Scott hadn't posted his pics I'd have become unhappy. I don't like carving rock-like-structures out of plaster, but the whole scenario now fits together better. Plenty more to do, but the bridge will become part of the natural scene and not adjacent to some arbitrary collection of surroundings! Jeff RIGHT DECISION Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2013 Morning Jeff, thanks for that photo of the aqueducts from the opperating position a couple of pages back. My fear was the tracks just disappearing into two black holes but from normal viewing position they do disappear into their respective cuttings. Lots of discussion around rocks I see over the weekend. If I could remember my o-level geology it could be something to do with the bedding planes of the strata and how the beds were laid down in the first place. The Derbyshire limestone were huge reefs. The rocks around the S&C have finely divided planes like shales and slates which is why the dry stone walls of the S&C are nothing like limestone ones. The S&C area is a mixture of rock types - some is limestone while other parts are, I believe, Millstone Grit - hence the differing strata and appearance of rock faces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Looking good Jeff, I have just cut my tunnelmouth down as I made to high, I got carried away with building it and didn't put it up against were it was going to go. I am almost at the plaster bandage buying stage, almost time to get mucky. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Quote "It's all good fun - if we didn't have a challenge, and everything was available, ready-to-use, it'd be boring!" That's my justification for building LMS suburban coaches from bits from Comet and donations from Airfix/Mainline/Dapol coaches. I'll buy RTR locos, but I now have dozens of RTP Scaledale and Scenecraft buildings from my last layout which won't get used again. Amazing how scratchbuilding can take over when I used to be so vehemently against it (me doing it, that is). Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Top pics and inspiration there Boss, I want to have a go. Bodgit RIGHT DECISION Bodgit Cheers Andy. I've just put some paint onto my "creation" - not quite sure what it'll look like when it's dry. If it's half-decent I'll post a pic or two later! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Update: I've painted the main cutting face - it's been drying for 3 hours now - I'll post a couple of pics at around 9pm. I've also re-done the branch cutting face - both sides complete now. The plaster has been in place for around an hour, so they'll be painted tomorrow. The whole area is really awkward to work in, but it IS coming together at last. Of course, by the time there is some of Andy's favourite species (G----) and a bit of vegetation, it'll look quite a bit different. Then there's a little bit of ballasting to do... Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I'll buy RTR locos, but I now have dozens of RTP Scaledale and Scenecraft buildings from my last layout which won't get used again. Amazing how scratchbuilding can take over when I used to be so vehemently against it (me doing it, that is). Jeff Hi Jeff, Why not use them for the basis of modifications and out buildings etc? Bodgt the Builder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Jeff, looking back at the pics I can't believe the mess you made on that lovely track :no: :no: :no: Bodgit 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Jeff, looking back at the pics I can't believe the mess you made on that lovely track :no: :no: :no: Bodgit Yes - good, isn't it!!? 20 years ago I'd have been horrified if I got ANY muck near the track. At one stage I even "ballasted" using that horrid foam underlay stuff! But that was a long time ago. Now it's filth, filth and yet more filth. In a railway context, of course!! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted June 3, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2013 Pics, as promised. The cutting face needs to be extended to the side of the bridge when I mix the next load of plaster. Jeff 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Can I be honest Jeff and say I preferred your original rock cutting? Sorry, but just my opinion. Would you be able to incorporate some actual rock from the locality? Just a thought. Regards, Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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