RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2015 Hi John, Good to see you back. Maybe a bit late for this - the deflectors on BR locos have a gentle curve on the top edge. I've found it easier to shape the deflectors before soldering the handrail knobs and handrail on. Likewise, I've damaged (or lost) the steps before now. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikks Posted February 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2015 Hi John, Good to see you back. Maybe a bit late for this - the deflectors on BR locos have a gentle curve on the top edge. I've found it easier to shape the deflectors before soldering the handrail knobs and handrail on. Likewise, I've damaged (or lost) the steps before now. Cheers, Mick Likewise, great project GH............. Mick, how did you shape the top of the deflectors? Rgds.......Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2015 Likewise, great project GH............. Mick, how did you shape the top of the deflectors? Rgds.......Mike Nothing secret to bending/rolling thin brass. My preferred method is to use a couple of layers of tea towel (or similar) on a hard surface and then use a short section of broom handle or similar, as a rolling pin - in the same way as rolling out pastry. But applying a bit more pressure. Being careful to only roll the upper section. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thanks for the welcome back Mick, I presume this is what you meant I had to be careful not to pop out the handrail knobs, the deflectors are not in situ just resting on the footplate so they look a bit off center but you get the idea. Regards Grasshopper J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 My next Achilles heel is the pipework DJH inst are far from accurate but apart from some reference to Scotts and Pad's build I will go with them. So as a quick start i sought out the exhaust injector on the left hand side ( I hope ) and managed to fit some pipework to it. Now all I have to do is work out where they go Grasshopper J. Edit. I decided to bend them Before soldering after looking at the rough angles they should be, as I have a tendency to break things afterwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Use photos of the real thing. Can't go wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Try these two photos, I'll see if I can find a photo of the R/H injector. Not sure about copyright on these photos. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Hmm Cheers OzzyO, i was working off PAD's build as he sent me some photo's something is amiss your LH side looks very diff to my photo? Grasshopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 You can see what I mean in this pic, there are 3 pipes coming out of the top no way would PAD get it wrong he must have been looking at a diff Loco. Let me know what you think. Regards Grasshopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2015 John, that looks like the exhaust injector that goes on the other side for the left side you need the live steam injector Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Try this one for the exhaust steam injector OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Hello Ian, OzzyO, You are quite correct Ian the grasshopper strikes again I am indeed working with the exhaust injector which should be on the right, Having asked for advice from the Master I should be working with the Live steam Injector as shown here. At least I know where I am now I think looking at the cast it has what appears to be a pipe ( pointing upwards in the photo ) should this be left on, It must be there for a purpose. Thanks for all your help. Grasshopper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2015 Does this help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Hello John, in Ian's photo if you letter the fitting starting at the one at the top left and working you way around going in a clock wise direction you should end up with what I'm posting below, I've flipped the photo around to try and help you a bit So it looks like the bit on the right in the first photo should be cut off, OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 Morning All, Quick update, spent some time fitting Pony Truck & Bogie wish I was OzzyO though I would have fitted them Before I fitted the Brakes and there frames made it a tad more difficult. And so after much help I started again, so here are the Exhaust injector and Steam injector prepared, I thought it MIGHT be easier to do it like this Before fitting, again I followed PAD and the photos so I know the pipes are in the right place and go in the right direction Next will be to fit them and Try to make the bends in the right place ( Carefully ) I hate having to re solder. Regards Grasshopper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted February 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2015 Think you've got that live steam injector round the wrong way (sorry) the bottom pipe the runs to the rear of the loco should be fitted to the flanged fitting that you have unattached at the moment .... crude paste up of your pic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Hi John, Have really enjoyed lurking and watching your build, especially having made a fairly crude fist of the GA resin kit for the Duke. The kit itself was good - my painting and lining was what let it down! I have one suggestion that would, I think, make a big improvement to the front end look without any butchery: to try Markits or Gibson 9 spoke bevel rim wheels rather than the 10 spoke ones supplied? They are very noticeable once you do. Best wishes, Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ian ( Redgate ) please don't apologise for pointing me in the right direction, I will amend but looking at the photo you posted the flanged bit you are talking about sits way far too down, I will try to bend it so that it's near parallel to the injector but knowing me it will probably break Although by my standards It's an easy fix. Iain, thanks for your kind advice, however I will probably leave as is, the old wills finecast A4 I built did not cause me half as many problems as the Duke, I don't know why, I've just encountered one prob after another. It's been a while since i last had any interest in building again due to circumstances But I am just going to finish this as the kit supplied as I've spent too much on it already. Having said the above, I have a 7mm Loco to build, which I'm itching to get going on but I'm starting to ask myself am I ready, guess I won't know till I try but this forum and It's members are fantastic as there is always someone on hand to help. Regards Grasshopper John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted February 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2015 Isn't the 'flanged bit' the overflow? Edit not sure now, can't really make it out from photograph. If you Google BR standard locomotive injectors you get quite a few images in the 'more images' bit, some of these might be useful to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 Isn't the 'flanged bit' the overflow? Edit not sure now, can't really make it out from photograph. If you Google BR standard locomotive injectors you get quite a few images in the 'more images' bit, some of these might be useful to you. Dont think so Phil, If you look at post 763 which Redgate posted it shows the flange quite clearly, my problem is that it points more downwards than parallel to the exhaust so I will have to bend it upwards---- very carefully, I'm no stranger to breaking things Grasshopper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The over flow is the flange marked "D" in post 764, IIRC the fitting are A feed to boiler, B steam feed, C water feed and D water over flow. B&C could be the other way around though. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 I was busy trying to form the bends so I missed your post OzzyO so I went with Redgate's suggestion. As I was not sure of the scale on the instructions ( DJH are basically follow your own instinct ) and I had already fixed the straight pipework to the valves, it was then a question of trying to put the valve in place and then making the bends. Not an easy task and i was constantly switching on the Iron due to snapping the joints on four of them 3 on LH side 1 on RH side. Anyway this is a bit hit miss TBH because I was using reference photo and Instructions so It's not perfect or true to the real thing. Damn slow process with a bit more to do. Grasshopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Only found this yesterday and spent most of last night reading all of the way through! Lots of interesting info!!- am about to take the plunge with a kit: lots of interesting tips here, but don't think I will be starting with DOG! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Only found this yesterday and spent most of last night reading all of the way through! Lots of interesting info!!- am about to take the plunge with a kit: lots of interesting tips here, but don't think I will be starting with DOG! Welcome aboard sp 1, It is a massive learning curve with more set backs than you can imagine put up a thread of your build there is always help to hand on RM web, we have to start somewhere. The D0G has had it's issues I must admit but mostly of my own doing the thing i am beginning to realise is that its not a race you have to take your time. Regards Grasshopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 There was a bit more work required on the right hand side It's a bit 'made up' between the inst and photos it was too small an area to get it 100% but it looks OK and works for me Hope you agree Grasshopper J Edit this might be a better view Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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