Flymo748 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Pictures from the exhibition please? should I change that to pictures of the exhibits? Not a layout, but the remains of the batch of RTR P4 locomotives that the Scalefour Society launched at yesterday's show. Out of a batch of 20 Bachmann Class 25s, by the end of the day we had only one left. Brand new and fitted with Ultrascale 18.83 wheels, we hope that it will give many finescale modellers a taste of "out of the box" P4 Any disappointed visitors that are coming for Sunday only and hoping to purchase one are very welcome to leave their name and contact details for one from the next batch. Cheers Paul Willis Deputy Chairman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 It must be a perversely British characteristic that the success of something is judged by the quantity of people that are unable to get in and enjoy themselves :-/ And thank you for your closing comments. I'll make sure that they are shared with the team. The advance option is an excellent idea and long may it continue to be provided at this and other shows, but is not always a choice available to the uncertain or irregular attendees. Its use by many evidently smoothed my entrance experience so thanks to all those who reduced my queue to only a fast moving dozen or so. Thinking back now the whole stewarding experience was smoothly operated and very welcoming from car parking through ticket sales and direction. It is easy to come to expect this at all shows and easy to forget how it reduces the stress. Back to judging success by the length of the queue, it and the congestion in the hall itself and the scrum to get to see layouts is one of the few measures the public has of how "successful" the show has been. Though most of us would individually see success as a show where there were no queues and easy access everywhere. Perverse maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Hi, Well, Dad and I went yesterday and it was a very good show, we arrived at around 11:50, and went straight into town to grab abit to eat as we guessed at that time, the exhibition would be heaving! We finally got back to find it was fully, but plenty of space, which is rather refreshing for a large exhibitions. In terms of layouts, Dad particulary enjoyed the broad Gauge layout, he practically stood there most of the time we were there! I spent quick some time with the SWAG gang on Quai:87, which is brillant, I do rather like the 'unusual' point levers. I also liked Western Road (?), the Western regoin Diesel Depot upstairs, nicely presented and lit! We bumped into some familiar faces along the way; the forementioned SWAG gang of Captain K, Brian, Rod and John, Chris F, who I had a couple of pleasant chats with. Talked with Mr Nevard about a certain extension project, and also saw Brinkly amongest others, but wasn't able to stop and say hello! It was a much better show than the last couple of times we went, but at least it'll be nearer to us when it goes to Stoke Mandeville. It tooks us an hour to get there, but on the way back, we were also stuck on the M25 for 3 and half hours, before being turned off and deciding to go the opposite way back to Woking, then through Ascot and Bracknell and Maidenhead to get back to High Wycombe, what a journey that was! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy M Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Great show as always and a fitting farewell to Leatherhead. It didn't appear as crowded as in recent years and by early afternoon was quite pleasant. The tantalising taster of Shrewsbury was a highlight for me and watching Western Road is always a treat. The absence of Michael Clarke was a shame but did mean I came away with more money than usual. I was one of the unlucky ones that caught the worst of the M25 madness, which added 2 hours to the journey home. This didn't take the shine off the day however, but a move slightly north of the capital will be welcomed next year. Many thanks for the hard work of all concerned in putting the show together. Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldlugger Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 It would be great to see some more photos from the forum; as one who can't be there due to expense and distance, I rely on others, who kindly add photos, to get a feel for the event. Today I am busily working on what could be one of next year's layouts for Stoke Mandeville. Cheers Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted September 30, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2012 Hi all, I went on the Saturday, and overall I was glad I went (125 mile round trip). However, I did feel the reduction in number of layouts was a little disappointing (the OH noticed it in particular - she doesn't like looking at the "nuts and bolts" stands. Not sure how the likes of Mike Edge, Dave Bradwell, Martin Finney etc. would respond to such a description.... ). It was mentioned in Scalefour News that the Society lost around £5K on last years' exhibition, equating to around £9 per visiting member. It was also mentioned that "Transport, layout and accomodation costs were all being targeted with the aim of reducing losses...". Hopefully this doesn't mean a permanent reduction in layout attendance for future years? Other downsides? 28 bob for a cup of tea was unwelcome - the Leisure Centre were the losers, as they only sold one cup to us instead of the usual 2 - 4 cups (I appreciate that the S4Soc. have no control over such prices) as well as the journey home on the M25 (3 hours instead of 1hr 10) due to a Diesel Spill and also someone sadly losing their life at Junct. 11 when they apparently fell from a bridge Looking forward to next year at Stoke Mandeville (it's closer to home for a start )...will S4um fill the hall one wonders? polybear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I think you're answering your own rhetorical question there.... Err, thanks or maybe the reason why I decided to work on the layout rather than waste a day's driving. Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Just got back from a very enjoyable day. Didn't grab many photos (sorry) but I have a few that I'll pop up later if any are worth sharing. Spent a little cash, but spent a lot of time talking/chatting and generally learning and being dazzled by everyone's expertise. as for layouts... I have to say that for my era John N's Laira and Mike's Weston Road really did it for me... and it was nice to see a ECML interloper generate some interest near the end of today. ;-) Thanks Mike. Quai 87 was... well... what can I say... SUPERB. It's really really lovely. Thanks to the Captain for taking the time to showing me the workings ;-) And yes... turnout operation par excellence! A great show... isn't it always. So, it's bye bye to Leatherhead and a slightly longer drive for me next year. Jon EDIT: some photos: Jon's Laira. Definitely the domain of the 50 My 55 in the showcase, with James' lovely 31. An interloper on Western Road with the Mk1s On shed And "that" shot Thanks to Mike for allowing the possession ... and apologies for anyone passing that didn't really want to see these. Jon EDIT2: Oh, and even though 55020 failed to budge on Western Road, she ran fine on the rolling road when I got home. Hmmm. Odd that. Mind you, I think that the static images obtained satisfied the disappointment over not seeing a wheel turned. ... again, thanks for putting up with the intrusion Mike, but with a Tee-shirt like that, it had to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Well worth the trip from East Yorkshire! Longest trip so far in our new car too! Great to catch up with friends and meet new people too Some fantastic disels on show, bar that tatty 31 in the display case, which shows just how far diesel era modelling has come on! Interested to see the new venue - it'll be easier for us and hopefully won't cast £120 in fuel next year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedmaster Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Hi All, Good evening, Just a quick post to say Thankyou to all those who stopped by to say hello at the Scaleforum show, today and yesterday. I had a great two days helping out on 'Laira' and it was a pleasure to meet new people and see some known faces ! I was able to 'pitch tent' and show off some stock for the forthcoming layout..... One of the Stew. Lane 'Fastrols' was also in attendance, demonstrating the loading ramps........ Our RES 47 768 and Intercity 47 844 were also out and about elsewhere, at Plymouth Laira, providing some 'alternative colour'............just to break up the NSE monopoly ! Seriously........it was a pleasure to be involved with such quality 50' action........ Hope you all had as much fun as I did......... Regards, Shed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 ....Interested to see the new venue - it'll be easier for us and hopefully won't cast £120 in fuel next year! I wonder where that will be. And it will probably still cost £120 if the pump price keeps rising like it has done over the last few weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flymo748 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 A thank you from the Scalefour Society to all involved in Scaleforum 2012... "Scaleforum 2012 seems to have gone well and the numbers through the door look encouraging. More details of attendance will be given once the final figures have been calculated and checked. Yesterday morning most of the traders reported good sales for the previous day. Andrew Hartshorn of Wizard Models mentioned that at the end of Saturday he had broken his Scaleforum takings for any previous whole weekend. Mind you he may not have many Exactoscale components left... Scaleforum does not happen without the support of a lot of people. If we mention names we are in danger of leaving someone out but I think particular mantion must be made of the stewards, most of whom are members of the Epsom and Ewell Club, and some are not even members of the Society. Some of these good folks have been doing the job for a long as Scaleforum has been at Leatherhead, and if you don't know how long that is, look on page 30 of Scalefour News 179. What is even better news is that some of the stewards are willing to continue to help us when we move to the Stoke Mandeville Stadium next year. It would never be fair to mention stewards without including Peter Swift who always does stiring work in recruiting the stewards, working out a rota for them and ensuring the the show runs smoothly. As many visitors will know, the M25 westbound was closed between Reigate and Leatherhead on Saturday morning and one of those who had to explore the rural byways of Surrey in serarch of an alternative route was me The result was that I did not get to Leatherhead until 8.25am. I knew that everything would be running smoothly in my absence because Peter would be there. There are a number of other key helpers: Colin McCallum who did excellent work in dealing with the finances and reliving the traders of their hard earned cash and keeping an on-going record of ticket sakes. Dave Keeler who organised the exhibitor reception and ticket sales was another key person who unfortunately had to miss yesterday because of family problems. The annual rummage sale, otherwise known as the Bring and Buy was organised by John Armstrong with a team of excellent helpers including Roger Sanders, Doug Thomas and Phil Reid. Looking after the electrics and PA was chief sparks Mark Tatlow who ensured that all the train sets had the power to perform. David Dornom did stirling work on managing the display case and competitions and Philip Hall and David Brandreth worked wonders with their magic picture taking machines. Many exhibitors will have cause to be grateful to Angie Sanders who looked after the exhibitors' tea supplies and ensured that this essential exhibition lubricant never ran dry. All the layout owners, demonstrators and help desk operators reported a great deal of interest in what they had on display and more than one had talked themselve into a sore throat by the end of the wekend. Members of the Committee and Society Officers were of course much in evidence on the Society stand and elsewhere. It was sad that Chairman John could not be there due to a long awaited operations being of course scheduled for this weekend but we took great pleasure in seeing President Iain Rice and past chairman Jim Summers at the show and fillng in for John. One of the things that the visitors never see is the clearning up operation at the end of the day and if you had observed it you would have seen all the people mentioned above plus some others not yet mentioned at the end of a very busy weekend packing things up and taking them downstairs to load into the large Transit type van that is necessary to hold everything for transport back to Leighton Buzzard. In an hour or so, all this material will be taken back to our storage facility, apart from that which lives in the shed at the bottom of my garden. These good folks included Chris Challis, he of Railwells, who has given great help at Scaleforum in the last few years with ticket selling, and who has shared his vast experience of exhibition organising with me, one of our local members, Jeff Phillips who helped with setting up, ticket selling and clearing away at the end of the day and Keith Norgrove who in adition to stepping into the breach to help with demonstrating, also helped with setting up and clearing away. Next year Scaleforum will be held on September 28th and 29th 2013 at the Stoke Mandeville Stadium, Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire. Plans are well advanced for the show with more layouts, more traders, and more demonstrators. We have plans for a few new things which we hope will be interesting and exciting and there will be no problerms in filling the extra space that we will enjoy so book the date in your diary now. Thanks to all those who came this year, and apologies for any key people missed from the list above. Terry Bendall" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Well worth the trip from East Yorkshire! Longest trip so far in our new car too! Great to catch up with friends and meet new people too Some fantastic disels on show, bar that tatty 31 in the display case, which shows just how far diesel era modelling has come on! Interested to see the new venue - it'll be easier for us and hopefully won't cast £120 in fuel next year! A new car? So rich. Hang on. £120 for fuel? That's about 18 gallons. Beverley to Leatherhead, 230 miles each way. That's 26 mpg. What are you driving? Jol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldlugger Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 A new car? So rich. Hang on. £120 for fuel? That's about 18 gallons. Beverley to Leatherhead, 230 miles each way. That's 26 mpg. What are you driving? Jol A Challenger II tank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 There's a hole in your maths there as you don't know how much fuel he started with and how much was left in the tank when they finished.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flymo748 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 A new car? So rich. Hang on. £120 for fuel? That's about 18 gallons. Beverley to Leatherhead, 230 miles each way. That's 26 mpg. What are you driving? Jol In twelve years of ownership I've never, ever worked out the mpg of my car. If I did, I'd probably have a cardiac. However I suspect that James' figure is one that I could only ever dream of =:-0 In terms of smiles per mile however... Flymo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Oh gosh, where to start? Two very full days, two well-laden carrier bags, a trip to the cashpoint on Saturday night in between a delightful dinner with an old friend and unexpected entertainment in the pub dealt with very quickly by the Surrey gendarmerie and plenty of socialising! For those who haven't heard, Brian Harrap was awarded the Ken York Trophy for the best layout. No doubt there will be some tutting that this prestigious piece of granite, shaped spookily like Brian's layout, has gone to a non-P4 creation. That it was more difficult to get near this exquisite creation than any other layout should be a wake-up call to somebody. I'm all for taking finescale [whatever that may be] seriously but our hobby is something to be enjoyed, with smiley faces and all that goes with them. Even before the award was announced I put in a not entirely mischievous request that Quai87 be invited to next year's S4Soc AGM. To those of the disposition that would bring credit to Eeyore and Marvin the Paranoid Android - you missed a good do. Don't do it again! Chris [unable to spell, again!] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 There's a hole in your maths there as you don't know how much fuel he started with and how much was left in the tank when they finished.... Gordon, I quote "and hopefully won't cast £120 in fuel next year!" The impication is that was the cost of the fuel used to make the trip to S4um, so how much he started or finished with is irrelevant. In twelve years of ownership I've never, ever worked out the mpg of my car. If I did, I'd probably have a cardiac. However I suspect that James' figure is one that I could only ever dream of =:-0 In terms of smiles per mile however... Flymo Paul, many modern cars include fuel consumption as part of the dash display. Some drivers seem to think that the lower the number the better. Likewise the higher the speedo reading, the better they are driving. Instruction in fuel consumption calculations are available from Horsetan, who is aiming for the London North Circular 100mpg record. Jol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 .....many modern cars include fuel consumption as part of the dash display. Some drivers seem to think that the lower the number the better..... That's correct if you're calculating in litres per 100km; the fewer litres burnt, the better. Instruction in fuel consumption calculations are available from Horsetan, who is aiming for the London North Circular 100mpg record. I'm some way off the ton, Jol, but will keep trying. 84.6mpg for the trip is my record to date. Friend of mine is going to remap the ECU to help the process along. The VAG 1.9 PDi diesel unit is very flexible, I'm told, although I'm not altogether convinced by his plan for a "hybrid turbo" to replace the standard one. OT, but this morning only saw 50mpg due to rain and increased traffic volume Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ullypug Posted October 1, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2012 I went up yesterday with the Weston contingent and a very good time was had by all. Many thanks to all the organisers past and present who have made Scaleforum in Leatherhead a pilgrimage over the years. Nice to hear Quai 87 (deservedly IMHO) won the York trophy. Can anyone enlighten me who won the other prizes? Very much looking forward to next year's show - it'll be interesting to see what plans the society has for the larger space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I was on the Wild Swan stand all weekend, and got stuck on the M25 on the Saturday night it took me five hours to get home to Aylesbury, the motorway was just static for ages with people walking their dogs on the motorway! As as far as you could see forward and as far back nothing moved, my other half suggested when I got home that maybe next year I should book into a hotel in Leatherhead, I did comment that might not be the best idea as next years show was in Aylesbury ten minutes walk from our house! My personal opinion I think this show lacked something, having been to all Leatherhead shows plus a few at City University Out of all the layouts Western Diesel Depot and Quay 87 were the ones that stood out, I thought upstairs being better than the main hall which could have done with a few more layouts. David . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 A new car? So rich. Hang on. £120 for fuel? That's about 18 gallons. Beverley to Leatherhead, 230 miles each way. That's 26 mpg. What are you driving? "So rich" - not sure I like the tone of that remark... It's not a brand new car, but new to us. Never owned an economical car, it'll be a sad day when I do... I don't think 26mpg is too bad for a saloon with a V6 and short ratio box! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 "So rich" - not sure I like the tone of that remark... It's not a brand new car, but new to us. Never owned an economical car, it'll be a sad day when I do... I don't think 26mpg is too bad for a saloon with a V6 and short ratio box! James, "So rich" - a quote from Moriaty in the Goon Show. Radio 4 Extra, Tuesdays 12:00 (mid day) 26mpg may not be bad for the car in question, but sure is an expensive way to travel nowadays. I have a friend who has a Porsche 911 which delivers over 33 mpg driven fairly hard. "Economical car" doesn't mean slow. If you ever get a chance to try a fairly modern 2.0L turbo diesel, you'll see what I mean. Jol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Even before the award was announced I put in a not entirely mischievous request that Quai87 be invited to next year's S4Soc AGM. One of Brian's creations will be appearing at the next AGM (DRAG are hosting and therefore in charge of this!) but we don't yet know which one. Nice to hear Quai 87 (deservedly IMHO) won the York trophy. Can anyone enlighten me who won the other prizes? . The only other I remember was the MRJ Chalice went to the bridgework on Shrewsbury. Others will probably be posted on the Scalefour website or forum in due course, I'll inform here if nobody else beats me to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 26mpg may not be bad for the car in question, but sure is an expensive way to travel nowadays. still way off topic - 26mpg is about what i get with my car. "Expensive" is very relative term - some might say £150+ is expensive for a OO model loco, or £800 per night for a hotel, or £40 for a bottle of wine ... but like the term "cheap" it only has meaning within a personal set of values. Some modern cars do indeed provide higher mpg and a few (very few) can match the power requirements but when you are comparing older cars with new it is a little unfair. ... and as for a Porsche 911 well you have to be desperate for a ride to be seen in one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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