40 058 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Hi, this is my first post here! I too have wanted a mk2 granada in oo, its good to see a mk1/consul GT now so hopefully a mk2 may follow!? As said above the mk2 is more or less identical to the mk1 under the outer panels. The estate even more so, with only bumpers, front wings, front end (lights, grille etc) and bonnet being different. Im the proud owner of a mk2 estate and after spending two years dealing with the rust I know these beasts pretty well!! Mines a C reg, so one of the last mk2s. They were getting a bit dated by the mid 80s, both in looks and way they were made, hence the extreme re style into the mk3 jelly mould type like the sierra. The mk1 had two differant types of coupe, some had the coke bottle style, some didnt and had a flat door/window edge. There was also a 2 door saloon (which looks awsome!) but wasnt sold in this country for some reason. There was also a saloon limo, estate limo, coupe limo and various types of hearse - some were even a combination of hearse and limo, but these were rare when new, and very scarce now! The mk2 was available as a saloon, estate, limo or hearse in the uk and special variant (saloon or estate) called a minster, this was a standard car with a small stretch (a foot or so) a bit like a mini limo for ferrying MPs etc around, some were even bullet proof! and again, a 2 door saloon was available but only in other countries. The mk2 had two types aswell, 1977 - 1981 was the mk2, 1981 - 1985 was mk2 facelift. Although they look very similar there are quite a few differances. I remember trying to get a windscreen for my facelift car and finding that a screen from the prefacelift doesnt fit!! Engines were on mk1, the essex V4 (2.0 early) pinto (2.0 late) or essex V6 (2.5 or 3.0). The mk2 had the pinto (2.0) cologne V6 (2.3 or 2.8 ) or a now rare peugout based (2.1 or 2.5) diesel. Modelling wise I think an escort conversion would be very involving as the size is totally different, and even spacing of wheel arches etc, length of wings, bonnet etc. I would be interested to see it done though! I also want to see how jim s-w transit mk2s turn out, another vehicle I would like to see rtr. I own one of these too! Mines a 1985 mk2 LWB high roof, without heavy (dual wheel) axle and still sporting original half rear wheel spats!! So if you want any inspiration pics I have one to hand!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 28, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2011 The Granada 2 door was made in Germany for their own market. It was a very basic model with a 1.7 litre V4 that couldn't pull the skin off of a rice pudding. The other 2 door version was the coupe, with 'fastback' styling, IIRC this was also only made in Germany. The German ones had completely different engines, those made in Germany for the British market such as the coupe had British engines installed that were sent out to Germany by rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 those made in Germany for the British market such as the coupe had British engines installed that were sent out to Germany by rail. Presumably in those Palvans Peco used to do with the big 'Ford' logo on the sides, or were they in the 30ft Ford containers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 29, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2011 Presumably in those Palvans Peco used to do with the big 'Ford' logo on the sides, or were they in the 30ft Ford containers? The engines were made in Dagenham so they went out in Palvans. IIRC the return load would have been German engines for installation in cars for the continental market. At first all the estates were made in Dagenham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Another variant, this time from south africa was the Granada 'Perana'. It was a mk1 but with a Ford 5.0 V8 from the mustang instead of our wimpy little engines! similar to the capri perana with the same engine conversion. http://www.perana.org/granada.php Some info and pics here. I really hope someone makes a mk4/5 cortina aswell. A very common car throughout the late 70s and 80s, upto about mid 90s there were still loads about. Wasnt there a kit for a oo gauge one available at one time? I assume its not available anymore? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I really hope someone makes a mk4/5 cortina aswell. A very common car throughout the late 70s and 80s, upto about mid 90s there were still loads about. Wasnt there a kit for a oo gauge one available at one time? I assume its not available anymore? Beacon Models used to make a revised Mk.IV (Cortina '80) saloon in clear resin. No longer produced as far as I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Modelling wise I think an escort conversion would be very involving as the size is totally different, and even spacing of wheel arches etc, length of wings, bonnet etc. I would be interested to see it done though! I've been turning that over in my mind, and wonder if a better conversion would be Mk1 granada + Mk3 Escort. it might be a goer if i knew the vitals. - something like width, height wheelbase, front bumper-front wheel arch, and wheel arch-wheelarch (passenger cabin) If a prototype works, then It might be possible to do a couple more (and post pictures on here) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Id be thinking about making copies in resin first as hacking die cast stuff about is a bit of a PITA. Actually, scratch that, Probably easier to build from scratch anyway! Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Id be thinking about making copies in resin first as hacking die cast stuff about is a bit of a PITA. Actually, scratch that, Probably easier to build from scratch anyway! Cheers Jim Without any plans, I'm actually perverse enough to hack the diecast about, after all one of the laws of modelling is you scratch build something, a manufacturer turns one out R-T-R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 That law applies just as much to hacking things! The sooner you get on with it the sooner we can buy one off the shelf for a couple of quid! Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Right, I'll see my regular supplier on Saturday and hopefully get some vehicles to be starting with. Because of the donor vehicles I'll be aiming for a Granada Mark 2 series 2 (facelift). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Any thoughts on hacking up a Hornby sierra for this? Aaannnnnyyyway - a few more RM vehicles for you. On the left - Base toys Roadtrain with revised paint and new front wheels plus a few details. On the right, yet another Corgi Ford Cargo/base toys hybrid. Still to do, the detail on the rear deck, new fuel tanks etc, glazing, mirrors and weathering. Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Nice posties Jim, but the deflector on the cargo doesn't look right. Here are a couple of mine:- 1st up a Scania 111 (by Herpa) 2nd A Foden "Falcon" (By Italeri) And lastly, both of them and their trailers, both are to 1:87 scale, and have been modified from the standard. the Scania has had the fuel tank replaced, the Sleeper cab windows panelled over, the mudguards replaced by flaps, and the rear light clusters moved, I've put a roof rack on the top, with an air pipe and two orange beacons on it. The Foden is a heavy mod of the Italeri Daf 95XF, I removed the DAF grille, and cut three small sheets of plasticard to fit the space - the bottom was a plain rectangle - the middle was a rough H shape to provide the middle bar, and support the third piece - and the third piece formms the outer edge, top bar and the backing for the Diamond. The trailers have been heavily modified from the basic models, the boxtrailer has had a bogie swap from treble axles on single tyres to twin axles on double tyres, with mud flaps instead of wheel arches - Boxes and other detailing added on the underside, and the rear doors modded from standard doors to a drop gate and two doors. The tanker has had locker boxes put on the underside, with a widened catwalk on the top of the trailer, delivery pipe holders on the side of the tank body, and high level rear lights. FYI - The Foden Falcon was nothing more than an idea, and a photoshop picture before DAF closed Foden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Any thoughts on hacking up a Hornby sierra for this? Jim I wouldn't use the Hornby Sierra for two three reasons - 1 - they are a bit of a mash up of the (2) Cortina replacement 3 - and I havn't got any spare. But it might be possible to throw them into a mix and get a Mark 3 Granada, produced from 1985 ish - certainly on a C plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I was driving around Rio de Janeiro in the early '80's in a brand new Ford Mark IV Cortina hatchback! It wasn't called that, of course...... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Of course, if someone had done a 1:72 Sierra, it might have made the basis for a 1:76 Mk.3 Granada... There was a (short-lived) Atkinson Strato based on the DAF 95 cab (and a Pegaso). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 There was a (short-lived) Atkinson Seddon-Atkinson Strato series one, as used by the MOD, based on the DAF 95 cab (and a Pegaso). The trucks you mention all used the same cab, made by a company called Cab-Tec, who also provide the cabs that are used on the current DAF CF, and were also used on the second series of Foden Alphas. Both Foden and Daf are/were part of the PACCAR group - who also own Peterbuilt and Kenworth. The sharing of cabs and other components is nothing new, vis-a-vis the L.A.D cabs, and various engines and transmission options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Yes. Seddon-Atkinson didn't use it long because they were/are part of IVECO, so went over to using their cabs instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Right, I'll see my regular supplier on Saturday and hopefully get some vehicles to be starting with. Because of the donor vehicles I'll be aiming for a Granada Mark 2 series 2 (facelift). I've made my supplier aware that I am after some "hulks" and when I get them I'll begin playing with them!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Nice posties Jim, but the deflector on the cargo doesn't look right. It is based on a piccie but at the same time I kind of agree with you. I might have another look at it. There was a collection of PO vehicles on fotopic now sadly vanished Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Jim - The deflector would be angled back, IIRC, the angle would be around 40-50 degrees from the vertical, but it could vary depending on the height of the trailer, and it would have two supports fitted at the rear of the cab roof, angled forwards to meet the deflector. There is a picture on rmweb somewhere - http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Post+Office+Ford+Cargo&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1366&bih=673&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=YR20yxTfL5vvkM:&imgrefurl=http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D99%26t%3D18203%26start%3D250&docid=bSzbj310hzhN7M&imgurl=http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/truck-and-van-blog/Blog%252520photos%252520015.jpg&w=426&h=336&ei=W-PXTszPOMjz-gbZ4OC_Dg&zoom=1 - but only the thumbnail shows up on google. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_14102-Ford-Cargo-1981.html - shows the general idea, and if you click on the model name you get a few, but that link is the only one with the deflector on it. http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=28408&start=180 - There is a yellow Cargo on that link, about 1/3rd of the way down, with the deflector flattened on to the roof, along with a mix of dutch Frans Maas units and some UK registered units. http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=981&start=3330#p764628 - 12th post down has loads of decent shots, 13th has a 7.5 tonne Cargo, and a sleeper cabbed Cargo, with the deflector. http://www.flickr.com/photos/30584300@N07/2887538003/in/faves-24255527@N00/ - look familiar? I hope they convey the look for the deflector, and the like. Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 058 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 All those trucks look good. I may have to get a Scania 111 and do something similar. Also, the mk3 Granada came out on B reg, I used to do work on one when I worked in a garage. It was a black 2.8 ghia and was very nice! Not as nice as the mk2s though! The mk2 and mk3 did overlap slightly production wise. My mk2 is C reg but you definatly can get mk3 on B reg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 All those trucks look good. I may have to get a Scania 111 and do something similar. Also, the mk3 Granada came out on B reg, I used to do work on one when I worked in a garage. It was a black 2.8 ghia and was very nice! Not as nice as the mk2s though! The mk2 and mk3 did overlap slightly production wise. My mk2 is C reg but you definatly can get mk3 on B reg. If you, or anyone else, want more pictures of my 111, send me a PM - the work I did to it was inspired by some of the pictures, and the general atmosphere, in "The Long Haul Pioneers" by Ashley Coghill, published by Old Pond. The earliest Mark 3 Granada I can remember was a former Ford development hack with switchable ABS - it was a C plate, and I drove it round a police skid pan, with the ABS off naturally! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 This thread is in the road vehicles forum. Why not start your own thread, I am sure people woul live to see more of your stuff Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 This thread is in the road vehicles forum. Why not start your own thread, I am sure people woul live to see more of your stuff Cheers Jim I'll do that, starting at the weekend - on the Granada Project! And then you can have your thread back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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