RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted September 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2013 More a case of I haven't been paying attention. I got an 'Just in stock' email from Rails which said 'Cock of the North' so naturally when I clicked on it I was expecting a P2 and not a 9F!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) Not sure if this was a rhetorical question or even a 'tongue in cheek' quote, however here goes and apologies if I've missed the point. Preserved 9F 92214, is currently named 'Cock O' The North' and was operating on the North Yorks Moors Rly, where the owners are based The name was suggested by the Company Secretary of PV Premier Ltd, owners of No. 92214. While she somehow thought it appropriate to use a name originally applied to the Chief of the Clan Gordon, she had no idea that it had been used for what the NYMR website describes as a “very similar type of engine”. http://www.nymr.co.uk/2011/04/cock-o-the-north-unveiled/ Dear oh dear ... Edit: typo. Edited September 7, 2013 by bluebottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnut Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Always under the impression that Cock O' the North was a P2, then an A2/2, same as Wolf of B and Mons Meg...etc??? 9F....nonesense!!! Hornby cutting corners again, or is there a real P2 model planned for release??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2013 Always under the impression that Cock O' the North was a P2, then an A2/2, same as Wolf of B and Mons Meg...etc??? 9F....nonesense!!! Hornby cutting corners again, or is there a real P2 model planned for release??? Have you not seen the pics of the P2 pre-production bodies? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnut Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 No I haven't. I just noticed this thread in passing, after seeing the 9F's on the Rails site and thought I'd inquire. I take it then,from your comment, that the CoTN model will be a real P2! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2013 No I haven't. I just noticed this thread in passing, after seeing the 9F's on the Rails site and thought I'd inquire. I take it then,from your comment, that the CoTN model will be a real P2! Yes it will be. Here's a link to see the pic I mentioned. https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151596613580843&id=53107985842&set=pb.53107985842.-2207520000.1378759789.&source=42 Hornby released the 9F as Cock O The North as well because the real loco has recently been renamed such by its owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnut Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Ah, yes...thats more like it. Good stuff!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Always under the impression that Cock O' the North was a P2, then an A2/2, same as Wolf of B and Mons Meg...etc??? 9F....nonesense!!! Hornby cutting corners again, or is there a real P2 model planned for release??? Not cutting corners, but a model of a real prototype 9f called "Cock of the North" http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/photo/scaled/9455/ Edited September 13, 2013 by Colin_McLeod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2013 Dear Micklner [sarcastic mode] It would appear that I stand corrected. It would appear that Hornby are indeed cutting corners and that there is no real prototype 9F called "Cock of the North" so the photographs on the link I gave (and all similar photographs) must all be fake. [/sarcastic mode] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2013 Dear Micklner [sarcastic mode] It would appear that I stand corrected. It would appear that Hornby are indeed cutting corners and that there is no real prototype 9F called "Cock of the North" so the photographs on the link I gave (and all similar photographs) must all be fake. [/sarcastic mode] Well, the 9F has the same number of wheels as a P2, however not quite in the right configuration! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2013 LOL I know that. However I was never under the impression that the 9F was being passed off as a P2. As far as I am concerned, Hornby have produced a model of the 9F "Cock of the North" and they are also in the process of producing a model of the P2 "Cock of the North" It is just that two different prototypes have been given the same name and Hornby are producing models of both. Similarily, Bachmann do a "City of London" 4-4-0 and there is also a Hornby "City of London" 4-6-2. No confusion between these two models. No accusations of cutting corners. Defensive rant over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hill Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 There's a nice picture of the running sample of 2001 on Hornby's Facebook and Twitter accounts and will be on show at the Swindon Railway Festival and are posting a video of it in action next week. Looks stunning. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 There's a nice picture of the running sample of 2001 on Hornby's Facebook and Twitter accounts https://en-gb.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151630957390843&set=a.10150197267445843.309835.53107985842&type=1&theater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 It looks absolutely stunning in the pic on Facebook. As I said on FB, I model BR(S) and SR but I still want a P2! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 So did Oliver Bulleid! Light rewriting of history and there you are. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Do you think it would look OK in malachite green with horizontal yellow stripes?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Hi Jeff, How could you think of doing such a thing to a locomotive of such beauty and granduer. Re: City of London name. Hornby could do a B17/6 streamlined City of London in LNER apple green. Could use a A4 body cut down and tender. Thats enough from me. Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 It is looking nice I just hope the released versions comes with Cylinder slide bars... not that anyone seems to of noticed, it kind of has a lack of them, if it's a running sample... it probably won't run to well without them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub45565 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Well, the 9F has the same number of wheels as a P2, however not quite in the right configuration! Keith The loco might, but the P2 has an extra axles worth on the tender... :-O Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Do you think it would look OK in malachite green with horizontal yellow stripes?? Whatever turns you on. Mine is definitely getting a Bugatti streamlined front end, BR lined green, 60505 and 9MT on the cab side sheets. Thoughts of a five axle tender to accomodate the mechanical stoker and fifteen ton coal space it really needs are also floating about... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2013 What pray tell is this: https://railsofsheffield.com/br-2-10-0-class-9f-cock-o-the-north-br-black-2-10-0-locomotive-92214-r3155-JJJA18636.aspx Looks more like a 9F with Cock of the North nameplates than a P2 or have I missed something? It is - as parked up in Grosmont shed when I visited on Monday. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2013 So did Oliver Bulleid! Light rewriting of history and there you are. I have heard a tale that OVSB actually intended the Merchant Navy to be a 2-8-2 but was 'encouraged' to change it to a Pacific. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) I have heard a tale that OVSB actually intended the Merchant Navy to be a 2-8-2 but was 'encouraged' to change it to a Pacific. John It's not a tale. Bulleid did intend to build a 2-8-2 but it was vetoed by the Civil Engineer and the MN was the 2nd best option which the CCE allowed. Edited September 14, 2013 by asmay2002 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I trust that any confusion arising from the NYMR/Hornby appropriation of the hallowed monniker Cock o' the North has now been cleared up to everyone's satisfaction? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Whatever turns you on. Mine is definitely getting a Bugatti streamlined front end, BR lined green, 60505 and 9MT on the cab side sheets. If you work through the caluclations the P2 would have come out with a "P" rating very slightly less the than LMS Duchess (about 1350 vs 1378) but significantly higher than the other LNER designs, MN, 71xxx or King. In the BR system anything that got a score of over 900 rated as an 8P (which is kind of a pity although the real limit with the big locos was the fireman). 8P9F is a lot messier in terms of transfers though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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