RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 5, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2013 I think the Toad B had the timber ducket and the Toad E was steel, some of Paul's photos show the B's rebuilt with steel ones, otherwise I think the same van.Thanks Paul, I must admit I've not really looked at ER brakevans in detail before and all my reference material covers SR and BR stock. Looking at loads of photos last night the Toad B/E can be spotted on Wenford to Wadebridge trains and sitting around in the yard at Wadebridge, but I've not seen it on the main North Cornwall route. I'm concluding that there was one or two of these ER vans held at Wadebridge especially for use on the Wenford route. Sounds ideal for my project, would be good to know what the real running number was though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted April 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2013 Brake vans did seem to be prone to wander. I seem to recall that the last train on the Wisbech and Upwell featured a couple of 16T minerals and a SR 'Pill-box' brake. Not quite what most people would expect. It would be interesting to find out how a LNER Toad E ended up in the remotest South West. Enjoying the blog, Chris. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 It's looking really very good. Makes me want to build another one with the uneven planking! Jack 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Brake vans did seem to be prone to wander. I seem to recall that the last train on the Wisbech and Upwell featured a couple of 16T minerals and a SR 'Pill-box' brake. Not quite what most people would expect. It would be interesting to find out how a LNER Toad E ended up in the remotest South West. Enjoying the blog, Chris. David Yes, wagons certainly did wander. It always amazes me how much of a mix you find in deepest, darkest North Cornwall. Makes me laugh when I think back to my trainset days (modelling the LMS) when all the wagons and brake vans I had were of LMS only origin! I wonder if the Toad was used on the Wenford line due to its short length over buffers? There are some very tight curves on the line. That doesn't explain why the other commonly photographed brake was a SR Queen Mary (although it is a bogie design). One thing I have noticed about modelling in 7mm is that, due to the higher cost, I'm being considerably more careful about researching and choosing stock. Looking through books to identify common wagon types, and more importantly, those that didn't appear on the line. The next stage is to work out who makes what. The Toad looks like it will be a brass kit. One item that I've not found yet is a 7mm equivalent of the GWR 12 Ton China Clay Wagon O13 (the Parkside 4mm kit is Product Code: PC82). I'll be needing a few of these - any ideas on a source? (I know about the forthcoming Kernow / Dapol RTR version but would prefer a kit and don't fancy spending £59 on a wagon and then throwing bits away). Looks like I'm not alone in wandering this.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 6, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2013 One item that I've not found yet is a 7mm equivalent of the GWR 12 Ton China Clay Wagon O13 (the Parkside 4mm kit is Product Code: PC82). I'll be needing a few of these - any ideas on a source? (I know about the forthcoming Kernow / Dapol RTR version but would prefer a kit and don't fancy spending £59 on a wagon and then throwing bits away). Looks like I'm not alone in wandering this.... Morning Chris.I know there's a brass version in this range.Lovely looking kits. http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/wep#.UV_YVdnySuI 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted April 6, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2013 The Toad looks like it will be a brass kit. I was going to suggest Jim's kit but I see you've spotted it already. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Morning Chris.I know there's a brass version in this range.Lovely looking kits. http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/wep#.UV_YVdnySuI Thanks Rob - this looks the part - brass kits do scare me though! I take it that doesnt have the roller bearing axle boxes? as done by Ratio and copied by Bachman in 4mm? Looks like oil/grease to me Mickey, phew. I was going to suggest Jim's kit but I see you've spotted it already. Yes I did Paul, and it's one of his 'skill builder' range - probably ideal for a soldering numpty like me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 6, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2013 Thanks Rob - this looks the part - brass kits do scare me though! Looks like oil/grease to me Mickey, phew. Yes, and it's one of his 'skill builder' range - probably ideal for a soldering numpty like me. I'm sure Adrian Marks [buckjumper] could give you some advice.I bet its well detailed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Looking Good Spams. Hope you're going to paint it Engineers grey with yellow ends - Chevrons even...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Looking Good Spams. Hope you're going to paint it Engineers grey with yellow ends - Chevrons even...... Errr, not quite, but feel free to add them in Photoshop. So....Inverness..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Been looking and failing to find a local source if decent plywood in the area (tamworth / Ashby). The DIY shed stuff looks awful and it would appear builders merchants are only a little better. Talking to locals it sounds like many of the timber specialists have closed. I'm just off to have a look at one in Coalville though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Been looking and failing to find a local source if decent plywood in the area (tamworth / Ashby). The DIY shed stuff looks awful and it would appear builders merchants are only a little better. Talking to locals it sounds like many of the timber specialists have closed. I'm just off to have a look at one in Coalville though... Just back from a wander around: 8'x4' 6mm Birch Ply (looks good quality) - £20 a sheet. Is this a good price??? Andy Banks - as you've suggested I will also wander over to Measham and ask at the boat builders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Just looked at the Measham Boat Builders website, but it's not open this afternoon. They do sheets of ply, It's more expensive than the Coalville Timber Yard but, as I've not seen it, I can't determine the quality. Both Damian and Andy B have previously fitted out boats and they recommend boat yard timber. BUT, and how weird is this, I've found they also sell Hornby! Right, it's relatively warm outside, there's no (natural) wind and it's not snowing or raining and therefore I think time for a few hours tidying the garden. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted April 6, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2013 Would this boat yard make a good prototype for BCB, instead of the scrap yard ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Yes just been catching up in the garden myself. Inverness? Oh yes, would make a nice project, lots of photo's taken. However, relaxing at the minute and enjoying watching you build stuff....... I used to get my Plywood for the boat from a traditional yard in Nantwich - Richard Potter http://www.fortimber.demon.co.uk/ . they had a massive selection. or this may be nearer. http://www.fitchetts.co.uk/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Would this boat yard make a good prototype for BCB, instead of the scrap yard ? Probably not Stu, the yard occupies what was once the Goods Shed at Measham Station and was a distance from the old (long infilled) Ashby Canal. Not your typical boat yard - Wot no Water! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Birch ply used to be a quality product, probably still is. It's finely grained, which gives it the stability and quality modellers are looking for. I am not up to date on current prices, but £20 sounds very reasonable. How many 'plys' are there in the product - always an odd number? There were at least 5 plys in the 6mm, may have been 7. Better than the 3 in the DIY shed with the middle ply being leaves, grass and voids.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Yes just been catching up in the garden myself. Inverness? Oh yes, would make a nice project, lots of photo's taken. However, relaxing at the minute and enjoying watching you build stuff....... I used to get my Plywood for the boat from a traditional yard in Nantwich - Richard Potter http://www.fortimber.demon.co.uk/ . they had a massive selection. or this may be nearer. http://www.fitchetts.co.uk/ Just soaking plants in buckets of rainwater before planting (that's my excuse for being back indoors anyway). Gorgeous weather, T-Shirt time for the first occasion of the year, beautifully warm for gardening. Now trying to decide whether to plant a few more items, or keep them in the conservatory for another few weeks.- apparently next next is cold again. No making tonight, as I'm off to the pub for a lemonade. Will have a look at your links after the gardening, but thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 I was going to throw this LSWR Brake Van into the melting pot. Seen at Wenford Dries in the 50s - Branch Lines Around Bodmin - Middleton Press, photo #61. But it is brass and I have noted your fear above. Think I'll have to face the fear with the brass Toad kit, that looks great too and you can never have too many BVs. (May then run an enthusiasts BV special down the proposed clay line.....(just like the specials run to Wenford). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 PS: This is NOT going to happen to my SR 25T! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Think I'll have to face the fear with the brass Toad kit, that looks great too and you can never have too many BVs. (May then run an enthusiasts BV special down the proposed clay line.....(just like the specials run to Wenford). Get over it. You'll make a great job of it!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 Get over it. You'll make a great job of it!! Think I'll finish the plastic kits first....and then do a bit more in the garden.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 6, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2013 I am wondering if there are brass kits buried in the garden? Time Team, eat your heart out...... Found some very long (6") rusty nails out there today - I think Damian buried the stash of them I had for scenic work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted April 7, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2013 Evening all, Back in from the garden at about 7.30pm and spent the rest of the evening scanning photos from books and taking stills from DVDs. These will be used to make up my 'inspiration and ideas' board for the layout. It also means I can then print off copies to draw on and much around with using 'Gimp' software. As with other projects I've been involved with (see links in my signature) the layout won't be an exact model of anywhere real BUT will include buildings and scenic treatment ideas from the Nanstallon - Boscarne - Wenford route / area. Unfortunately I can't post these ideas yet until I find copyright free images or take some photos of my own (hopefully when I'm in the area in May). The next steps will be make up the 'inspiration and ideas' board, print off a 1:10 version of the current track plan, build a 3D foamboard mock up and then see what the ideas look like together and how they fit. This will help me plan the plywood boards (which won't be plan flat-topped) and identify if any track adjustments are required before it's too late. In the meantime there will be ongoing wagon updates.... (That's the plan anyway) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted April 7, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2013 Sounds like you know what you're doing... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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