RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2014 Etched end bits have landed and this time they fit. Can folks who want some send me a PM and I'll start getting them out to people. Glad to hear that they have come out well. I now have both sets of Arbels with the blue colour ref 901 that red death referred to. To me it looks fine so far. Hopefully the first set will get assembled tomorrow and placed on the layout for a few test runs on the boards that are set up. Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul tpxguard Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Etched end bits have landed and this time they fit. Any Pics? Be interesteded to see what they look like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2014 The first set of the Arbels that I ma working on are now assembled. There is still more painting to do but I wanted to see how they sat on the rails. They seem to be free rolling but might need a little weight to get round the fiddleyard curves. A couple of photos of them on the layout. One end has a Rapido and the other a Dapol Easi Shunt coupler fitted into the trucks NEM pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2014 The second set of Arbels are now partly assembled. I should be able to get them assembled and on the track tonight so both sets will be in use at Pontefract this weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2014 The two Arbel sets were fully tested at the weekend at the a Pontefract show. I had a few derailments at first especially I the fiddle yard so a little bit of weight was stuck to the small sections of styrene floor that I had glued into each section of the articulated sets. This greatly improved performance although the rear section of the rear set did keep. Derailing on turnouts until I removed the last bogie and found a tiny bit of glue on it causing it slightly bind on the pivot. After cleaning this the two sets performed flawlessly all day on Sunday. Now I just need to finish painting them and add the details plus fit the etches when they arrive in the post. Thanks Etched Pixels for a very nicely designed piece of rolling stock. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofanenvelope Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 they certainly look the part and remind me of rounding the bend and Didcot every day commuting into London.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Absolutely cracking layout, having spent a lot of time at the station recently it really does capture the place to a t. Are you planning a full rake of arbels? They certainly are a striking sight as they trundle through. Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2014 Absolutely cracking layout, having spent a lot of time at the station recently it really does capture the place to a t. Are you planning a full rake of arbels? They certainly are a striking sight as they trundle through. Matt [/quotThanks I am hoping to get 4 sets of 5 although I have plenty of other jobs to do before I commence the next ones. The etched ends arrived in the post today. They have just been primed. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2014 I have been studying photos of the Arbels. I have painted the underframes black at present and now deciding whether these should be dark grey. I have now obtained a few more acrylic colours from Ian Allen shop at Waterloo and hope to pick out the detail on the etched end doors prior to fitting them. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hi Ian I'm always wary of copying a model, but CJM's Arbel sets have black underframes for the ex-works sets. The reality is that they soon turn a mixture of track dirt and brake dust colour! Incidentally, I noticed when looking at pics of the real thing that the print doesn't include the full underframe (difficult to see on many photos) but you can see it here: Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2014 Mike Thanks Think that I will just weather the underframe. i must admit that I hadn't thought about the rest of the underframe but will see if I can come up with a simple one to make out of styrene that can be held in with canopy glue so that it can be removed if I ever need to separate the 5 car units Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hello Ian, The missing section of underframe can only be seen from below, as it's really just the spine down the middle and is hidden by the boxes and cover raising mechanism panels that are on the outside edge. A twin section of I-girder longitudinally, sloping up at each end, would do the trick. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks Ben Will see what I have in my box of styrene. Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted February 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2014 After running the Rio sets successfully at the Pontefract show last weekend. One set has had more work carried out on it with the other set about to follow with the same treatment. The etched end doors have been painted and fitted plus the end grab rails formed out of. 33 wire and installed. The end surrounds have been painted using a mixture of silver and natural steel acrylics. The photos below show the progress as of this morning. There is still more detailing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Wondered what those wagons are I've seen around Didcot recently. Even though I've seen this thread it didn't click Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dale159 Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2014 Just read this thread from the start and its very interesting, I like the look of the Arbel wagons as I've always been fascinated by things that have bogies shared between 2 vehicles (not sure of the correct term for this arrangement) I see that this project has been designed for N gauge, but would it be feasible to scale them up to OO gauge reasonably easily? I did try making my own similar wagon out of some old Lima tiphook wagons but it was a bit crude. Dale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Just read this thread from the start and its very interesting, I like the look of the Arbel wagons as I've always been fascinated by things that have bogies shared between 2 vehicles (not sure of the correct term for this arrangement) I see that this project has been designed for N gauge, but would it be feasible to scale them up to OO gauge reasonably easily? I did try making my own similar wagon out of some old Lima tiphook wagons but it was a bit crude. Dale Hello Dale, Although not mentioned on here, someone is currently working on a 3D Printed Arbel chassis for OO, though it isn't at the first prototype stage yet. Regards, Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 Just read this thread from the start and its very interesting, I like the look of the Arbel wagons as I've always been fascinated by things that have bogies shared between 2 vehicles (not sure of the correct term for this arrangement) I see that this project has been designed for N gauge, but would it be feasible to scale them up to OO gauge reasonably easily? I did try making my own similar wagon out of some old Lima tiphook wagons but it was a bit crude. Dale You might have to figure out the bogie mountings but yes it ought to scale trivially in this particular case as it was designed to use WSF already. Won't be cheap though... a OO one will be a lot more material ! If its a serious interest let me know and I'll tell the computer to rescale and re-compute the walls this weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dale159 Posted March 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2014 Thanks for your replies, Excuse me if I've missed it but roughly how much does the N gauge version cost? And approximately how much would a OO version cost by comparison? Thanks Dale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 N gauge ones come out at about 70 quid for two rakes (its an oddity of the Shapeways pricing but one or two come out about the same as beyond a certain volume if its dense enough you get different pricing. A OO one is twice the length, height and width but can have a similar wall thickness so is probably four times that price. I doubt you'd get the density so I wouldn't be surprised if it came out about £300 for a 5 unit rake. It would also be a bit too big for Shapeways to polish so you'd have to polish it yourself. 3D printing just works so much better for smaller scales at the moment 8) The actual main body profile is very simple so the other line of attack would be to print the body profile on a home 3D printer and then polish it. After that the underframe, pivots and joining bits could be scratch built. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I would be interested in hearing from 4mm modellers (by Email) if they would be interested in a model of a WIA wagon as I would consider producing a mixed media kit if the demand was there? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dale159 Posted March 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2014 N gauge ones come out at about 70 quid for two rakes (its an oddity of the Shapeways pricing but one or two come out about the same as beyond a certain volume if its dense enough you get different pricing. A OO one is twice the length, height and width but can have a similar wall thickness so is probably four times that price. I doubt you'd get the density so I wouldn't be surprised if it came out about £300 for a 5 unit rake. It would also be a bit too big for Shapeways to polish so you'd have to polish it yourself. 3D printing just works so much better for smaller scales at the moment 8) The actual main body profile is very simple so the other line of attack would be to print the body profile on a home 3D printer and then polish it. After that the underframe, pivots and joining bits could be scratch built. Ouch! Yes 3D printing of rolling stock is best kept to smaller items at present, but I'm sure its time will come! Pete - I'd be interested in that idea, again if the cost is not too unreasonable. Dale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren chpamn Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 What wheels sets do you need to buy for these before buying kits I want to get them first Daz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 The units have very small wheels. The N scale bogies use the 28" Fox Valley Models wheels on 0.54" axles (FVM 2801) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mr Nik Posted April 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2014 Greetings all, just a quick note to say that i worked from home on Tuesday afternoon and saw a single Arbel set head south from Crewe behind a class 92. I was most surprised as i thought they were mothballed. When I went to work in Birmingham on Wednesday they seemed to be parked at Bescot. I certainly can't remember seeing a set there last week. Anyway, a lovely 'prototype for everything' consist. Best, Nik. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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