CameronL Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Ha, so the two wingers do all the work but the middle forward is a idler? I think Spurs' wheel arrangement was all idlers yesterday. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 On 22/04/2023 at 16:50, The Johnster said: There's a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow. But it's always the other end... As full rainbows (when you can see them) are circular, they don't have an end! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted April 25, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2023 In that case, why is there a J1 on the M25? 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, The Johnster said: In that case, why is there a J1 on the M25? If you have to label junctions you have to start from somewhere! At least the planners started from a logical point, and proceeded in a logical direction... Nowadays some loon would probably do it using What Three Words and possibly end up with Junction Absolutely.Bl00dy.Stupid! (Don't even know if A.B.S is a legal wot3wrds location but I thought it would be appropriate) Edited April 25, 2023 by Hroth clarification 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted April 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hroth said: If you have to label junctions you have to start from somewhere! At least the planners started from a logical point, and proceeded in a logical direction... Highest junction number is 31 (well according to a quick Google, I'm not all that familiar with the M25), and thus the numbering does appropriately just keep going up and up as you carry on around. At least if you count in 5 bit binary and are happy to put up with overflowing back to 1. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Reorte said: Highest junction number is 31 (well according to a quick Google, I'm not all that familiar with the M25), and thus the numbering does appropriately just keep going up and up as you carry on around. At least if you count in 5 bit binary and are happy to put up with overflowing back to 1. But is the bit crossing the Thames really part of the motorway? I think you have to pay extra to cross, so its a break in the loop and reasonable to expect the junction count to restart from 1 on the other side. I've never been on the M25 so I can't speak from personal experience. Edited April 25, 2023 by Hroth 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Hroth said: But is the bit crossing the Thames really part of the motorway? I think you have to pay extra to cross, so its a break in the loop and reasonable to expect the junction count to restart from 1 on the other side. The OS map shows the section between M25 J30 (crossing the A12 at Thurrock) and M25 J2 (crossing the A2 at Darenth) as A282 so it would appear that the M25 starts at J2 and ends at J30. But, on the other hand, there being a toll does not exclude a road from being a motorway: I bring as witness my old friend the M6 Toll. Most of my M25ing is done between J2 and J12 or between J15 and J23; I have never driven any of the section beyond J27 or used the Dartford crossing in either direction. Edited April 25, 2023 by Compound2632 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 39 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: The OS map shows the section between M25 J30 (crossing the A12 at Thurrock) and M25 J2 (crossing the A2 at Darenth) as A282 so it would appear that the M25 starts at J2 and ends at J30. But, on the other hand, there being a toll does not exclude a road from being a motorway: I bring as witness my old friend the M6 Toll. Most of my M25ing is done between J2 and J12 or between J15 and J23; I have never driven any of the section beyond J27 or used the Dartford crossing in either direction. I went all the way round (via Heathrow and Gatwick) one day. Clockwise starting from the A1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Talltim said: I went all the way round (via Heathrow and Gatwick) one day. Clockwise starting from the A1 In one day? That's an average speed of at least 5 mph, which some would say seems unlikely... 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted April 25, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: In one day? That's an average speed of at least 5 mph, which some would say seems unlikely... Quote 'Many phenomena - wars, plagues, sudden audits - have been advanced as evidence for the hidden hand of Satan in the affairs of Man, but whenever students of demonology get together the M25 orbital motorway is generally agreed to be among the top contendors for Exhibit A.Where they go wrong, of course, is assuming that the wretched road is evil simpy because of the incredible carnage and frustration it engenders every day. In fact, very few people on the face of the planet know that the very shape of the M25 forms the sigil odegra in the language of the Black Priesthood of Ancient Mu, and means 'Hail the Great Beast, Devourer of Worlds'. The thousands of motorists who daily fume their way around its serpentine lengths have the same effect as water on a prayer wheel, grinding out an endless fog of low-grade evil to pollute the metaphysical atmosphere for scores of miles around'. - 'Good Omens' (Terry Pratchett/Neil Gaiman) 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: But, on the other hand, there being a toll does not exclude a road from being a motorway: I bring as witness my old friend the M6 Toll. But the M6 Toll is an alternative route, you don't have to use it, you can continue on the occasionally uncongested non-toll M6. I think the folk who use the toll option are mainly those who can claim it on expenses... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Hroth said: But the M6 Toll is an alternative route All routes are alternative routes. If you're in Darenth and want to get to Thurrock without paying a toll, there's 100 miles of free motorway... 24 minutes ago, Hroth said: I think the folk who use the toll option are mainly those who can claim it on expenses... I use the M6 Toll when travelling M40 - M42 - M6 in both directions and M40 - M42 - A38 northbound only*. It's simply much pleasanter driving and in my view, worth the money. *Southbound A38 - A446 - M42 is even pleasanter. Northbound there's usually a tedious queue on the A446 up to Bassets Pole. Edited April 25, 2023 by Compound2632 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 3 hours ago, The Johnster said: In that case, why is there a J1 on the M25? As others have said; the M25 is not a complete circle. The Dartford crossing is not part of the M25, but joins it together over the Thames. If you want complicated junction numbering on a motorway that does form a complete circle, try the M60/M62 round Manchester. 😝 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted April 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2023 32 minutes ago, F-UnitMad said: As others have said; the M25 is not a complete circle. The Dartford crossing is not part of the M25, but joins it together over the Thames. If you want complicated junction numbering on a motorway that does form a complete circle, try the M60/M62 round Manchester. 😝 Even the M60's debatable. The part where it steals the M62 notwithstanding you've got to turn off it to stay on, otherwise you end up heading towards Bury or sailing over the Pennines, depending on which way you're going, the junction being the very close to aptly-named Simister Island (although supposedly something's going to be done about its traffic-grinding nature in the nearish future). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted April 26, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26, 2023 10 hours ago, Nick C said: Many phenomena - wars, plagues, sudden audits - have been advanced as evidence for the hidden hand of Satan in the affairs of Man, but whenever students of demonology get together the M25 orbital motorway is generally agreed to be among the top contendors for Exhibit A.Where they go wrong, of course, is assuming that the wretched road is evil simpy because of the incredible carnage and frustration it engenders every day. In fact, very few people on the face of the planet know that the very shape of the M25 forms the sigil odegra in the language of the Black Priesthood of Ancient Mu, and means 'Hail the Great Beast, Devourer of Worlds'. The thousands of motorists who daily fume their way around its serpentine lengths have the same effect as water on a prayer wheel, grinding out an endless fog of low-grade evil to pollute the metaphysical atmosphere for scores of miles around'. - 'Good Omens' (Terry Pratchett/Neil Gaiman) 'Stood still on a highway I saw a woman By the side of the road With a face that I knew like my own Reflected in my window Well she walked up to my quarterlight And she bent down real low A fearful pressure parylysed me in my shadow And she said 'Son, what are you doing here? My fear for you has turned me in my grave'. So I said 'Momma I have come to the valley of the rich, myself to sell'. And she said, 'Son, this is the road to Hell On your journey 'cross the Wilderness from the desert to the well you have strayed upon the Motorway to Hell'... ...This ain't no upwardly mobile freeway This is the road to Hell This ain' no technological breakdown oh, no, This is the road to Hell. Look out world, take a good look, see who's down here. This is the road to Hell. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 26, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 26, 2023 5 hours ago, The Johnster said: quarterlight No a word much met with outside of railway carriage nerdery. Or is it more current in the automobile context in American English? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibelroad Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 After wading through the last few pages I’m getting nostalgic for the cracker jokes. 1 6 7 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Stubby47 Posted April 26, 2023 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: No a word much met with outside of railway carriage nerdery. Or is it more current in the automobile context in American English? I thought a quarterlight was the small triangular opening window, found on the leading edge of the front doors on 1950s/60s BMC cars, such as this Morris Minor. Edited April 26, 2023 by Stubby47 3 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Hibelroad said: After wading through the last few pages I’m getting nostalgic for the cracker jokes. Wow, that is getting desperate!! 😉 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted April 26, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Stubby47 said: I thought a quarterlight was the small triangular opening window, found on the leading edge of the front doors on 1950s/60s BMC cars, such as this Morris Minor. The name comes from how flat glass was produced before the 'float' method was invented. A globule of molten glass was spun and centrifugal force made it into a disc. Once it was cooled it was cut into panes. The flat panes with straight edges were the most sought after and expensive. The panes from the edge with a curved side were used in horse drawn carriages either side of the doors, usually four matching panes were required hence the term quarterlight. The cheapest pane was the 'bullseye' from the centre of the disc. 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 On 25/04/2023 at 13:12, Hroth said: If you have to label junctions you have to start from somewhere! At least the planners started from a logical point, and proceeded in a logical direction... Nowadays some loon would probably do it using What Three Words and possibly end up with Junction Absolutely.Bl00dy.Stupid! (Don't even know if A.B.S is a legal wot3wrds location but I thought it would be appropriate) Couldn't bothered doing it properly but the closest (funniest) I got at random places at the Junction was Spent Pies Entire Scarf Land Hours Ship Face Flames About Potato Ages News Unrealistic Heads 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: Couldn't bothered doing it properly but the closest (funniest) I got at random places at the Junction was Spent Pies Entire Scarf Land Hours Ship Face Flames About Potato Ages News Unrealistic Heads I think "Ship Face Flames" would be ideal as there's so much scope for misunderstanding! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted April 26, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Compound2632 said: No a word much met with outside of railway carriage nerdery. Or is it more current in the automobile context in American English? In the song, it was being used in the automobile context, the triangular swivelling opening small window at the front of the front door windows, a more or less standard feature of 1950s and 60s cars. It was already a little dated as a reference when Chris Rea (I know his brother, Dai) wrote it in 1989. They were hinged about halfway to swivel vertically, as in the photo of the Moggy, and were very useful little things, as the hinges were stiff enough to hold the triangle at the desired angle at speed, and of course the (manual) adjustment was infinitely variable. The car could be ventilated to the degree desired, and the only downsides were minor sightline-blocking in that (relatively unimportant) direction and noise if you were going a bit fast. Once you were on the move, very little rain got in that way (though they dribbled somewhat while you were waiting at the lights), and unlike modern cars, the side mirrors were on the ends on the wings rather that on the front edge of the doors as they are now. On the ends of the wings, they were arguably more in the driver's normal ahead-viewing sightline, but the exposed mirrors were vulnerable to damage and blocked the drivers view of vehicles emerging from side roads and such. The quarterlights were a very common means of entry for car thieves as well (oh, yeah, we had them back in those days as well). Railway carriage nerdery? Well, the word 'clerestory' does not evoke images of gothic cathederals as an initial response, so, yeah, ok, guilty as charged m'lud and proud of it! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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