GRUNFOS Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 The framework of Washfordheath holder still exists. Even though it looks like two holders it was a connected single that raised and lowered "the twins" together. The other type that was common at steelworks had an enclosed piston in a cylinder so looking from outside it never moved. Have found this image of Washfordheath, yours to model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 . . In January 1941 he sepnt nights on top of the gasholders (that's what he always called them) at Grangetown, with no more than buckets of water, a stirrup pump and buckets of sand putting out German incendiaries that landed on the gasholder before they could do any harm ! Brian R One of the gas holders at East Moors was pierced by a bomb in 1940/41, they were kept empty at the time, fortunately. In 1971, one of Dorman Longs, on Teesside, was struck by lightning, I think your grandad would have needed quite a few buckets of water......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 One of the gas holders at East Moors was pierced by a bomb in 1940/41, they were kept empty at the time, fortunately. image.jpg In 1971, one of Dorman Longs, on Teesside, was struck by lightning, I think your grandad would have needed quite a few buckets of water......... image.jpg My grandads view was - if the holder went up, he wouldn't know anything about it ! . He was also the Corporal rifle instructor in the (64th ?) Glamorgan Local Defence Volunteers (aka Luck, Duck & Vanish but Home Guard to the rest of us !) - unfortunately for most of the war, they didn't have any rifles ! . (he also felt the tv series Dads Army played them down, as opposed to taking the mick !). Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 The internal piston type were generally referred to as waterless gas holders as they didn't sit in a ring of water which formed a seal at the bottom. In 1975 Northern Metals were tasked with demolishing two such holders at the Irlam works of the Lancashire Steel Corporation, by then part of the BSC. They started with the larger of the two, a 2 million cubic feet capacity holder weighing 500 tons. After two attempts with explosives they got this far, It stood like that for several days until a third blast brought it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 ....., how do they store gas now? In tins of Heinz baked beans. .....or in vegetable curries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Linacre Gasworks Bootle Merseyside being demolished in 2010, this also was hit by a bomb in WW2 that never exploded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danemouth Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 My quarterly British Gas Pensioners' Newsletter arrived today - now there's a coincidence! It has an article on this very subject so I can now proceed to bore you all to death with some further facts: "It is estimated that since 2009 over 300 holders have been taken out of service - 70 of these in North London alone". "Gas Holders have been in existence since 1814 when the Gas Light and Cole Company of Westminster built a single gas holder capable of storing 14,000 cubic feet of coal gas". "The largest holder in Britain was the 295 feet rigid gas holder located at Southall. Unlike water sealed telescopic gas holders, this holder does not expand or contract with the gas contained inside, but consists of an oil sealed piston free to travel inside a metal cylinder. The letters 'LH' and an arrow were painted on the side of the holder to point out the direction to London Heathrow airport which was four miles to the south west. This was to prevent confusion with a similar holder that once stood at South Harrow on the approach to Northolt airfield, later painted with a giant 'NO'. Before this more than one pilot landed at Norholt rather than Heathrow, only just managing to stop on the short runway!." So now you know, Regards, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted July 29, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2013 My grandfather came to Cardiff from Sheffield and went to work for the Cardiff Gas Light & Coke Co. at their Bute Terrace and Grangetown 'works'. . In January 1941 he sepnt nights on top of the gasholders (that's what he always called them) at Grangetown, with no more than buckets of water, a stirrup pump and buckets of sand putting out German incendiaries that landed on the gasholder before they could do any harm ! . I doubt many would do that today, or would the HSE allow it, even in times of national emergency. . It wasn't the Germans that eventually got him - but the wet asbestos he used to lag the pipes with at Grangetown. Brian R Brian, My grandfather lived in Clive Street, and was also a fire watcher. It's probable that they knew each other! I was born within sight and sound of Grangetown gas works Plus the fact that you work with my brother, so I'd say it's a pretty small world! Regards Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 There are still three in use in Reading... They looked empty when I passed them a few weeks ago! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I hadn't realised that they were an endangered species. There were two in Chesterfield last time I looked, but I think they went out of use last year or maybe the year before that. http://goo.gl/maps/x8jC9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted July 29, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2013 Brian, My grandfather lived in Clive Street, and was also a fire watcher. It's probable that they knew each other! I was born within sight and sound of Grangetown gas works Plus the fact that you work with my brother, so I'd say it's a pretty small world! Regards Richard IIRC one east London gasholder was demolished realtively recently and as well as finding a patch on the roof with a circular hole below it they found a live unexploded bomb at the bottom. I modeled a gasholder on my Long Preston Layout. There was a very small gasworks built in 1876 just below the line east of the station. We explored the site with permission, and discovered the remains of the riveted holder about 12' diameter and there was enough detail still available for us to model it accurately. My frined who made it motorised it but then someone else painted it so it never worked unfortunately. It had closed in 1926 and is still there in the field. We even got some oral history about a guy who worked there used to come home from courting his girlfriend by train and always checked the brightness of the lamps. If they were low he would nip down and put a few more shovelfuls of coal into the retort before going home. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 29, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2013 Don't care what they are called but the two in Chelmsford haven't gone up or down for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I've always been intrigued by the miniature versions that were used for the small installations at, for example, large country houses. I remember finding one in the undergrowth near a derelict stately home in North Wales back in the 80s. I'd never previously realised such weeny ones existed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 In West Midlands Gas we just called them Holders, with the vast amount of the distribution network now steel or plastic pipework the pressure has been increased all around the country thereby increasing internal storage capacity. Is that because Slade's lead singer being called Noddy Ometer would have sounded silly? Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Plus the fact that you work with my brother, ..... So, your brother drew the short straw ! Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Is that because Slade's lead singer being called Noddy Ometer would have sounded silly? Geoff Endacott Not as silly as if he'd been called Willy Holder ! . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted July 29, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2013 Nobby Holder? I'll get my coat Regards Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted July 29, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2013 The gasholder in Blyth, Northumberland, today. Blyth gasholder Northumberland The top section paintwork was designed by local schoolchildren a few years ago. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The two that have stood in Swindon for as long as I can remember have just been dismantled/demolished in the past few weeks. there are now some pretty large holes in the ground that are in the process of being filled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 29, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2013 My quarterly British Gas Pensioners' Newsletter arrived today - now there's a coincidence! It has an article on this very subject so I can now proceed to bore you all to death with some further facts: "It is estimated that since 2009 over 300 holders have been taken out of service - 70 of these in North London alone". "Gas Holders have been in existence since 1814 when the Gas Light and Cole Company of Westminster built a single gas holder capable of storing 14,000 cubic feet of coal gas". "The largest holder in Britain was the 295 feet rigid gas holder located at Southall. Unlike water sealed telescopic gas holders, this holder does not expand or contract with the gas contained inside, but consists of an oil sealed piston free to travel inside a metal cylinder. The letters 'LH' and an arrow were painted on the side of the holder to point out the direction to London Heathrow airport which was four miles to the south west. This was to prevent confusion with a similar holder that once stood at South Harrow on the approach to Northolt airfield, later painted with a giant 'NO'. Before this more than one pilot landed at Norholt rather than Heathrow, only just managing to stop on the short runway!." So now you know, Regards, Dave Mine arrived Friday, but I didn't want to bore anybody to death Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 29, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2013 Mine arrived Friday, but I didn't want to bore anybody to death Mike. You usually do when it comes to W*st*rns. Why change the habit of a lifetime? Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted July 29, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hmm, the gasholder/gasometer thing is the same as 'pylons' - transmission towers to those who work with them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 30, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2013 You usually do when it comes to W*st*rns. Why change the habit of a lifetime? Mick You can't hide forever! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Just heard a rumour Grumbly Town's will be demolished next week :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter220950 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Slightly off topic, but I might as well take advantage of the knowledge base, one thing that has nagged at me for years. How do they seal the joint between the lifting sections? It has to be a sliding seal but I can't see how it was arranged. peterL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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