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On a trip to Oxford to try out my new Praktica camera (bought from Argos) in the early 80s, I was very surprised to see a pair of 20s (20013 & 20080) heading north on a train of empty cartics. They appeared whilst I was photographing 50013 on a Paddington train on the up platform so I hurried over to the down platform and got a couple of shots during the brief stop they made on the down through road. Although they weren't unknown at Oxford (they sometimes turned up on the morning Speedlink from Bescot), they were very unusual just up the road in my home town of Reading.  

 

 

Wow.....i was brought up in Oxford......never saw a pair of 20's...............thanks for sharing  :sungum:

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The only Raifreight  grey class 20 in BR days was 20088

 

20088.20194 Avenue Sidings (Clay Cross) October 1990

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They then moved on to the main line loop

20088.20194 Clay Cross October 1990

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And then moved to Toton

20088.20194 Toton October 1990

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Great pics,

 

any ideas though what the working was that brought the twenties onto the Avenue Coking plant line? they're running around their train which would suggest that this wasn't a train for Avenue but rather one using the facilities to run round? especially as it has a brake van and HEAs?  

 

Also note the twenties and the 58 on the Goods road and the 58 has drawn up behind the twenties!!

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Until the resignalling the good lines at clay cross were signalled as permissive block, allowing trains to draw upto another already in the block section as seen in the photo. This is one of the few times you would have more than one train in a block section at a time. I think that permissive block has now been made extinct on the main line.

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Until the resignalling the good lines at clay cross were signalled as permissive block, allowing trains to draw upto another already in the block section as seen in the photo. This is one of the few times you would have more than one train in a block section at a time. I think that permissive block has now been made extinct on the main line.

 The goods line was busy that day

 

37203,47348,20088/20194.58034 all waiting  October 1990

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Until the resignalling the good lines at clay cross were signalled as permissive block, allowing trains to draw upto another already in the block section as seen in the photo. This is one of the few times you would have more than one train in a block section at a time. I think that permissive block has now been made extinct on the main line.

The goods lines between Derby london road and LNWR junction (towards burton in Trent) are still permissive freight, surprised me a few months back when I got position lights to follow a freightliner stone train along there!

 

EDIT: acton grange to walton old jn just outside Warrington bank quay is the same

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20189 gets a bit of TLC on the South Coast at St. Leonards (exact date unrecorded, possibly 2012)

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20189 does a bit of shunting at St. Leonards after some light repairs.

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20189 shunting Translator Vehicles.

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20189 gets a test, hauling 2 x 66s, 2 x Translator Vehicles and a 73. Seen just after leaving St. Leonards. English Electric sounds were beautiful.

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20189 and 20142 in short lived Balfour Beatty Livery. St. Leonards 09.10.14

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Other side of 20142 and 20189. 09.10.14

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20132 "Barrow Hill Depot" and 20118 "Saltburn-by-the-Sea" stabled at Derby on 13th September 2014

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20142 "Sir John Betjeman" with 20227 at Swanwick at the Midland Railway Centre on 28th May 2017

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Direct Rail Services 20302 and 20312 photographed at the Carlisle Kingmoor Depot charity open day on 22nd July 2017

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HNRC locomotives 20314 and 20311 were stabled at Derby on the 2nd April 2017

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20905 and 20901 at Derby on the 10th May 2015

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Lets go back a bit in time.... :derisive:

 

 

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20014 still in green livery and apparently lacking an emblem on this side anyway along with an unknown partner haul mineral wagons through Derby in the summer of 1975

 

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20220 waits in the bay at Markinch with mineral wagons while 60009 simmers in front of the goods shed - May 1975...

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20135 & 20080 wait to couple back up to their MGR train at Point of Ayr (N Wales coast), 25th July 1988.

 

Hello.

 

Silly question perhaps, but what is the contraption to the left of the picture used for?

 

Thanks in advance ...

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Pretty sure they operate the hopper levers and the wheels are rubber guides. (I could be wrong of course)

steve

You could be wrong. As far as I am aware, MGR trains were always hauled through the loading and unloading points, however, what those devices are there to do is move trains of more conventional pre-MGR coal hoppers through unloading points. The rubber tired wheels were spring loaded so as to grip the wagon sides, and motorised in order to push/pull the rakes of wagons. The tell-tale was the very visible twin tyre tracks down the sides of the wagons.

 

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You could be wrong. As far as I am aware, MGR trains were always hauled through the loading and unloading points, however, what those devices are there to do is move trains of more conventional pre-MGR coal hoppers through unloading points. The rubber tired wheels were spring loaded so as to grip the wagon sides, and motorised in order to push/pull the rakes of wagons. The tell-tale was the very visible twin tyre tracks down the sides of the wagons.

 

Jim

 

It is only MGR (HAA etc) wagons that have the marks.

Edit - ta to w124 Bob below.

Yes - it is for moving the wagons through a couple of places where they weren't powered by a loco.

Avenue Coking plant was one such example.

 

Cheers,

Mick

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