Wickham Green too Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, melmerby said: But a TfW class 67? It was mentiond but what's that got to do with the photo? My psychic power are suggesting that there's one hiding out of shot to the right !!?! 🙄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 HST with TGS coach at the first class end. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted January 17, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2023 33 minutes ago, melmerby said: But a TfW class 67? It was mentiond but what's that got to do with the photo? It doesn’t appear in any of the three pictures so I’m guessing that the TfW class 67 was pulling/pushing the Mk4 coaches and DVT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BR(S) Posted January 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2023 HST set with NSE coach on the back. 18 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Steven B Posted January 17, 2023 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2023 52 minutes ago, BR(S) said: HST set with NSE coach on the back. Single power car too, the NSE coach is likely acting as a barrier so a buffered loco can connect to that end of the train. You'd often find a single coach attached if a single power car was out on its own so it could be rescued from either end should the need arise. It did lead to some fun combinations - how about this for an express parcels trainL Cockwood Harbour by Andrew Edkins, on Flickr Steven B. 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 17, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, The Pilotman said: It doesn’t appear in any of the three pictures so I’m guessing that the TfW class 67 was pulling/pushing the Mk4 coaches and DVT. One would expect a picture of the loco actually mentioned in the post🙂 We could start a whole new picture topic Picture of a brake van, guess the loco!😉 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 17, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, BR(S) said: HST set with NSE coach on the back. As an HST set with only one power car leading, you have to wonder what was going on. HSTs with only one power car working were banned over the Devon banks, they had to have a pilot loco - normally between Exeter and Plymouth, so had it came up from Paignton? And there's only one FO so not an internal WR set? Perhaps ecs? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted January 17, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2023 The caption on Flickr says, “Single Power Car 43180 is in charge of the 10.35 Paignton Paddington {Fo} screams away from Dawlish on 12 August 1988.” Whilst it’s possible that a NE/SW set was used on an internal WR service, that would be very unusual, but not as unusual as a Network SouthEast coach being in the consist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, melmerby said: ... Picture of a brake van, guess the loco!😉 No shortage of photos the other way round ! ☹️ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 hours ago, The Pilotman said: The pictures were taken at Reading, so I think the poster has posted them on the grounds that that’s not somewhere that that stock/livery would normally be seen. Sorry yeah that's correct, well away from the normal or intended stomping grounds of the Mk4s, the set in question was actually on one of two overnight test runs. 67008 in TfW colours was on the other end but unfortunately didn't get a photo. An open access operator had proposed to use Mk4s on the GWML, but they are now planning to use AT300s IIRC. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 17, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Wild Boar Fell said: Sorry yeah that's correct, well away from the normal or intended stomping grounds of the Mk4s, the set in question was actually on one of two overnight test runs. 67008 in TfW colours was on the other end but unfortunately didn't get a photo. An open access operator had proposed to use Mk4s on the GWML, but they are now planning to use AT300s IIRC. The ones posted were (AFAIK) the Grand Central (Arriva) WCML liveried stock, which made some test runs but the service was abandoned due to the pandemic. The repainted class 90s and Mk4s were then looking for some further useful employment. https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2020/09/11/grand-central-abandons-west-coast-main-line-plans/ Edited January 17, 2023 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 12:08, BR(S) said: HST set with NSE coach on the back. That picture got me thinking and I came across this... https://www.markgeorgephotography.co.uk/hst-43-130 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 14:26, brushman47544 said: As an HST set with only one power car leading, you have to wonder what was going on. HSTs with only one power car working were banned over the Devon banks, they had to have a pilot loco - normally between Exeter and Plymouth, so had it came up from Paignton? And there's only one FO so not an internal WR set? Perhaps ecs? I might be wrong but that looks like a MK2 tacked on the back. A very unusual photo! Regards Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2023 6 hours ago, DavidB-AU said: 4 power cars to shift 1 EMU ! Is that the railway being innovative and flexible, or is it showing how desperate things are now ? Either way, thanks for posting that clip. Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artless Bodger Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 13:05, Steven B said: You'd often find a single coach attached if a single power car was out on its own so it could be rescued from either end should the need arise. It did lead to some fun combinations - how about this for an express parcels trainL Isn't there something about speed of a single power car being limited due to brake force, higher speed is possible if a coach is attached to increase the brake force? Applies to light engines as well I think I've seen commented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2023 Only if they want the reduced formation to run at anything near max. speed. I think it used to be a minimum of 4 coaches, any less than that means a speed restriction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 41 minutes ago, SHMD said: 4 power cars to shift 1 EMU ! ... Well, I guess it was two power cars to shift one EMU six - yes SIX - barrier wagons and two more power cars ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: Well, I guess it was two power cars to shift one EMU six - yes SIX - barrier wagons and two more power cars ! 2 barrier wagons and 4 extra wagons for braking. The 777 has EP brakes so in this consist would be unbraked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 A stock delivery passed me yesterday near Shrewsbury with a new TfW unit sandwiched between about 8 old Freightliner bogie coal hoppers. Unfortunately I didn't see the loco at the front or take a picture as I was in the middle of my motorbike CBT. Why they couldn't have just coupled it up behind another 197 is anyone's guess. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 hours ago, SHMD said: 4 power cars to shift 1 EMU ! Is that the railway being innovative and flexible, or is it showing how desperate things are now ? Either way, thanks for posting that clip. Kev. The RA power cars work as pairs (with buffers on the cab ends). So effectively they are "one loco". Power provided at either end to allow reversals without a run-round is not unusual for stock moves. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2023 More weird Class 43 formation: 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted January 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) More nosey HST: Lash Up from Laira by Terry Callaghan, on Flickr Contrasting Fortunes by Terry Callaghan, on Flickr Nose to Nose 125's by PAOVisual, on Flickr And finally, a combination I've not seen before - buffered & non-buffered: Steven B Edited January 25, 2023 by Steven B 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) On 21/01/2023 at 16:09, newbryford said: The RA power cars work as pairs (with buffers on the cab ends). So effectively they are "one loco". Power provided at either end to allow reversals without a run-round is not unusual for stock moves. A couple have also been on holiday. Posing for photograph at Munich: (By ICE 91 Prinz Eugen - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=110854249) Edited January 25, 2023 by melmerby 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Extra headlight fitted 'cos it's dark over there ! 🤭 Did they go by tunnel or Alleleys ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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