F-UnitMad Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 "Sound" - or more precisely "Sound Volume" - is one of those 'touchy subjects', especially in an Exhibition context. If the three layouts in your room had been in the main hall, their sound would have had a lot less impact. I know my sound system has effects that were totally lost - but at home could be far too loud. You can go next to 59th Street next time, Dan - police sirens & all If Long Island Jack had turned up the volume more on his Alco RS, I could have synch'ed mine with it - that is NOT a complaint though - I thought it was superb sound, from such a small loco!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 .... anyone got any more photos to post...?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Klyzlr Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Dear Daniel, At the risk of sounding like a broken record: - what you heard was obviously not _scale_sound_ - higher ambient noise levels at a show is not a valid excuse to "turn it to 11"(If the sound is truly appropriate, the layout is displayed at appropriate height for both viewing and listening,and the crowd is truly engaged, they will lean-in, and truly scale-sound will still shine thru)- it doesn't have to be loud to have presence and bottom-end I totally agree that overblown and "dB Drag Racing" approaches to layout and onboard sound helps no-one,detracts from the exhibiting experience (both for the punters and the fellow exhibitors), and can (in some cases very visibly) actually discourage punters from getting close enough to appreciate what is an otherwise standout model/layout. (One notable example I've witnessed was a Japanese city layout which used a small 4" LCD + PC multimedia speaker rig to emulate a Tokyo-esque "city centre" scene. The playback level exceeded 96dB SPL-A @1m. The result, as viewed from the elevated stage area at the end of the show hall was a very visible empty area at that corner of the layout, which the punters literally would not enter. It was amazing to watch, you could pick a punter, watch them walk casually along the layout front-edge in a straightline, and literally, unconsciously, and entirely-predictably from our vantage point, make a deliberate wide skirting detour into the centre of the aisle and the wave of oncoming traffic, to avoid the invisible-yet-undeniable cloud of noise-polution emenating from that corner of the layout...) In contrast, at the very same show, "Brooklyn : 3AM" featured:- a scale Doof Doof warehouse Rave party, - the sounds of "the city that never sleeps" as a bed track,- a genuine first-person-perspective NYPD "Federal Signal" siren-equipped cruiser + SWAT truck- a front-n-centre group of 5 homeless guys muttering away between themselves- dogs and cats verbally "working out their differences" over the surrounding 4 blocks of cityscape- the forklift and loading activity "buzz" at "S.L. Services" at front Left (not to mention the MRC diesel sound module, Brooklyn is a 100% analog layout) and all of this is achieved without exceeding 60dB SPL @ 1m,...(and yet being clearly audible to those punters who stop and "lean in", even against the average 85+dB SPL show hall ambience). The point being, what you heard "sounds like" virtually all the typical "go loud or go home" approaches commonly seen in Layout Sound,and rest assured, it need not be that way.... Happy Modelling,Aim to Improve,Prof Klyzlr PS 298, "perfecting layout sound for exhibitions" is not hard, truly. However, it does take:- the effort to build the sound to the same scale specs as the visual models it is supporting- the conviction that "Scale Sound should stay scale" and be presented as such.(You don't mount O scale detail parts on a HO model, just so the punter walking by is guaranteed to notice that "this model has added details".Sooo, Equally, why turn supporting super-detailed scale-sound audio up to "scale Krackatoa Earthquake" excessive-dB playback levels???) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Okay lets see what we have - these are only reduced in size - otherwise as they come, In Batches of 10Setting up Saturday AMI'll try to add Layout names later - The one with the flags is la Ciénaga Dan and Cane River Chris Gilberts Haston replacement (Layout with no name) - The end boards were painted at 4.00am Saturday morning - Last minute as standard practice! Ray (Long Island Jack)s 59th and Rust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Batch2 Andy Gautreys Wiley City [] Fowler Lake Jez News Landor Street Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Batch3 Landor Street Roger Nicholls Palm Bay Miami Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Batch4 Roundhouses Santa Barbara Stevens Point Portway Centre - Jordan Foster (and son, Cavan) North Valley 'arry Dodds Lakeview Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Batch5 Lakeview Cambridge West Paul Gittins Peforia Narrows - a brave man, our Paul, as he put his back out the previous day and was suffering! Nice to see you again, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Batch6 Cambridge West Portway Central with (L-R) Roger N, Jord F, and Jords son, Cavan South 6th Street Yard Stevens Point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Batch7 Roger N's Palm Bay, Miami South 6th Street Chris Gilbert's "Layout with no name" Landor Street Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Last ones - These have all been Batch reduced in size(doing them individually I'd be there all day!) so they may not be as detailed as we would like - if anyone wants fullsize copies of their layouts photos - PM me with an email address and I'll send them on to you Landor Street I have named these from memory (which is no longer as good as it used to was!) - so if any are wrong please advise and I will correct them - If your name doesn't appear - my apologies but that is because I don't know it - if you would like it added - again let me know - it isn't a problem to edit it Again - Thanks to all who made it a great day - but for you the photos wouldn't be there- Some layouts I know I have missed taking a photo of - and again , my apologies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielB Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Fantastic photos Jack. Very cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 The one snag of having your own layout at a Show, is how much of the rest you miss.... Thanks Jack!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielB Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Next year I'll likely need another operator just to run the layout, nevermind to allow me to snoop around the show for a bit. That also means a second Powercab purchase on the horizon. Expensive times ahead! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robatron86 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 So many excellent layouts. Thanks for taking these great pics Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Klyzlr Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Dear Daniel, Um, another Powercab? Why? If the layout is already powered by a PowerCab (1.28 or 1.65 firmware),adding a single CAB04 will give you an additional "engineer cab" for a 2nd operator.(and is much cheaper than a full "hammerhead" throttle handset) Alternatively, add a NCE <> USB adaptor + headless JMRI unit (maybe Rasberry Pi?) + a WiFi router, and anyone who can log onto your WiFi network with a smartphone (running WiiThrottle/EngineDriver app),has their own "BYO Throttle" ready to go... Happy Modelling,Aim to Improve,Prof Klyzlr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Brilliant pics Jack. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Dear Daniel, Um, another Powercab? Why? If the layout is already powered by a PowerCab (1.28 or 1.65 firmware), adding a single CAB04 will give you an additional "engineer cab" for a 2nd operator. (and is much cheaper than a full "hammerhead" throttle handset) Alternatively, add a NCE <> USB adaptor + headless JMRI unit (maybe Rasberry Pi?) + a WiFi router, and anyone who can log onto your WiFi network with a smartphone (running WiiThrottle/EngineDriver app), has their own "BYO Throttle" ready to go... Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr There were a lot of layouts using NCE equipment at the show....! My chief operator brings his Powercab to shows just in case we have a catastrophic failure (not that we have), and although I don't use half of the functionality and only have one loco moving at a time, I do like the thumbwheel and display, and do get fed up when the layout is set up in the study or car-hole, and I'm up in the loft and need to test a chassis... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northpoint Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 I might need a bit more room next year! There's plenty of room in the car park, Dan!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northpoint Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 20th June 2015 - Nick is giving us an extra week to get stuff finished for next year...!! I had a Christmas card from my niece/Goddaughter saying keep 13th June 2015 free as she is getting married. I said to Liz I wonder what they'd say if I said I already had something pencilled in for that day....... Hence the change of weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted June 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2014 There's plenty of room in the car park, Dan!! I thought the least space was the car park Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Many thanks for all the photos, Jack. Very handy for us miles away... Cheers, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 No problem, guys - For those who can't get there, pictures help to bring the whole thing closer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Ok - I've done the sums and there should be enough money in the kitty to do it all again next year. Proposed date: Saturday 20th June 2015 - put it in your diaries. excellent news , I'll look forward to it, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_long Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Sorry I missed a great show. Would it be worth Chris G building a layout in a day and next years show? Saves him getting up early to finish this weeks layout! Thanks for all the photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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