Class 40 Pics and detail differences in the class.

[45125]

On 14/08/2023 at 22:07, Max Legroom said:

Does anyone know what the pipe work hanging down from the body around the central tank is for? Some kind of drainage pipes perhaps? They appear on a lot of the ScR 40s.

The Scottish forties had the bedplate drain linked to together to one drain pipe/tank....

All Forties were a renowned for being a bit oily internally.........

 

[Max Legroom]

On 15/08/2023 at 23:10, 45125 said:

The Scottish forties had the bedplate drain linked to together to one drain pipe/tank....

All Forties were a renowned for being a bit oily internally.........

 

Thanks 45125. The drain pipes would be a nice detail to add to the Bachmann model.

[4630]

Locomotive Services Limited's D213 Andania heading east at Colne Bridge on 25th August 2023 with 1Z70, Crewe to York, private charter.

 

The headboard reads 'Jonathan Rawlinson HALF CENTURY EXPRESS'.

 

 

There's also a video clip here.

Edited August 25, 2023 by 4630
To add the headboard description.

[Rugd1022]

Photographer unknown : 40 137 loos large at Crewe...

 

[Ray M]

40027 York 25-9-82

40104 HM 24-9-82

[big jim]

Some of these have been posted before elsewhere on RMWeb but not in this thread 

Crewe works 

 

 

 

 

barmouth (tidied up instamatic camera pic) 

[Rugd1022]

Photographers unknown...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note the old pre-Tops number 300 under the paint...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rugd1022]

Photographer unknown : D336 at Golborne on the WCML - early appearance of the now ubiquitous palisade fencing too...

 

 

 

[Rugd1022]

Photo by Mark Gray : 40 006 at York on 27th July 1979...

 

 

 

 

 

[96701]

Some time ago in the mid 70's a Class 40 was at the head of a coal train from Rose Grove bound for Yorkshire over Copy Pit summit and had a Class 25 at the back to assist. The train was in a loop waiting for the road when another loco's horn blew. The driver of the 25 thought that it was the cue to set off and duly did so, pushing the 40 and a couple of wagons through the trap points, so if KR Models want to model the underside of a 40, here's their opportunity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2023 by 96701
spealling is carp

[Grafarman]

I didn't think a 25 had enough grunt to shove a 40 plus wagons through a trap; I suppose it was a short train...?

 

David

[96701]

23 minutes ago, Grafarman said:

I didn't think a 25 had enough grunt to shove a 40 plus wagons through a trap; I suppose it was a short train...?

 

David

It was long enough to need a banker, the train was unfitted and the brakes on a 40 are notoriously poor.

[keefer]

There was a Sectional Appendix instruction that parked cl.40s must be chocked as they couldn't even rely on the handbrake to hold them.

[Phil Mc]

A couple from the recent ELR diesel gala.

 

 

 

Cheers,

Phil.

[Strathyre]

On 30/09/2023 at 12:12, keefer said:

There was a Sectional Appendix instruction that parked cl.40s must be chocked as they couldn't even rely on the handbrake to hold them.

I can very much confirm that! At Eastfield we had to chock them when disposing of them as the parking brake was utterly hopeless, and the loco air brakes were pretty grim too. We had a couple of bad runaways down Cowlairs incline with 40s when they had their brakes poorly adjusted after a block change on shed. The first thing you did when coming off the shed and heading for Queen St was to do a good brake test on full throttle, a practice which was reinforced after these runaways as the drivers concerned had either forgotten or not done a strong enough check.

 

Paul

[keefer]

17 hours ago, Strathyre said:

We had a couple of bad runaways down Cowlairs incline with 40s when they had their brakes poorly adjusted after a block change on shed.

Bad one in 1977:

https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docsummary.php?docID=444

[45125]

35 minutes ago, keefer said:

Bad one in 1977:

https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docsummary.php?docID=444

Not poorly adjusted, just very badly set up after tyre turning.                                                                   Have seen a few poorly adjusted brakes on EE4s and Peaks. Was always told as an apprentice when blocking these to adjust the piston travel with the block on the wheel so the casting sand would rub off giving the right clearance, as the slack adjusters were very poor as taking up block wear.

[Strathyre]

There were two runaways involving 40s back in the 70s. In at least one of the incidents the brake blocks had been changed but not adequately adjusted to work properly, barely touching the tyres. They provided enough friction to stop the loco at the shed exit signal but that was about it.

 

This is a link to the one I am referring to, an image taken on the day

 

Paul

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228113396563864&set=gm.5907772982641558&idorvanity=1295041497248086&paipv=0&eav=AfY27rDya94d1zlkNeM7eHwwBII8QZ_DCUMFq17Ms7HgJuBP_dR3GhDxHkzeAoGFGyo&_rdr

Edited October 2, 2023 by Strathyre

[Matt37268]

On 30/09/2023 at 12:12, keefer said:

There was a Sectional Appendix instruction that parked cl.40s must be chocked as they couldn't even rely on the handbrake to hold them.

40106 was secured with chocks outside Kidderminster on Sunday evening. 

[03060]

On 02/10/2023 at 13:14, keefer said:

Bad one in 1977:

https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docsummary.php?docID=444

Presumably there were people asleep in the sleeper carriages but there's no mention of any casualties ?

[keefer]

The Sleeper must have been empty as any injuries are noted, even if fairly minor.

The damage sustained would certainly have caused serious injuries, if not fatalities.

[03060]

6 hours ago, keefer said:

The Sleeper must have been empty as any injuries are noted, even if fairly minor.

The damage sustained would certainly have caused serious injuries, if not fatalities.

Maybe the date of Dec 24th has something to do with the lack of casualties ?

 

Very, very lucky for BR then, as the report says, it was a sleeping car that bore the brunt of the impact, usually there were 2 of them on the Fort William portion, both at this end of the train in GQS so that they would be at the 'station' end of the platform at FW, maybe the time of year meant that there was only one on this occaision and no travellers on Christmas Eve ?

 

Anyway, thanks @keefer for the info, I may look into this further on one of the West Highland Line threads as I'm conscious of 'drifting' away from Class 40s.

 

Regards,

Ian.

[Southernman46]

Wasn't the Weaver Junction Caustic Soda / Freightliner collision (1975?) also contributed to by the lack of brake force on the Class 40 being insufficient to deal with the unfitted soda tanks.

[45125]

1 hour ago, Southernman46 said:

Wasn't the Weaver Junction Caustic Soda / Freightliner collision (1975?) also contributed to by the lack of brake force on the Class 40 being insufficient to deal with the unfitted soda tanks.

Nothing to do with the 40s brake force, the train was only partially fitted even though it was thought by certain staff to be fully fitted........

 

[stovepipe]

Another whistler in difficulty, working the Aberdeen - KX fish in 1975. It was a at Crewe Works the following month.