robmcg Posted September 28, 2018 Author Share Posted September 28, 2018 When it comes to excellent models and value for money, top choices for me are the Thompson Twins, B1 and L1 . and some Britannias are still reasonable... I have found when looking for cheap models like Bachmann 9Fs and even the above Hornby L1s there aren't all that many pristine early production versions around. Maybe I don't look hard enough. pics are all edited. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 You have to look very hard for these, my experience suggests they are snapped up fast if in good condition at an attractive price. I am often on the look out for any keenly priced specimens of the above mentioned - and a few more besides - on behalf of friends. But the B12/3 is the cream of the (not just Hornby) crop now. The largely metal loco body construction is a step in a very right direction which - hopefully - other manufacturers will observe and in time imitate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted September 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2018 I was pleased to find a BR (pristine) L1 67772 for sale at £70 at a show recently, second hand but in good condition, but as has been said they are now quite rare, not having been produced (I think) for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) Something else LNER that's quite hard to get a hold of are the original run of Gresley Teak Full Brake's, as I found out when I sourced one for a certain ANTB member.. .. here's one I weathered earlier Edited September 29, 2018 by toboldlygo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 Something else LNER that's quite hard to get a hold of are the original run of Gresley Teak Full Brake's, as I found out when I sourced one for a certain ANTB member.. .. here's one I weathered earlier LNER_FullBrake_lhfan.jpg LNER_FullBrake_rhfan.jpg Good, I think I actually own one of those.... not as good-looking as your weathered version though. Nice job! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 I was pleased to find a BR (pristine) L1 67772 for sale at £70 at a show recently, second hand but in good condition, but as has been said they are now quite rare, not having been produced (I think) for some time. Although R3461 BR/LNER apple green 67717 (2016), R3189 LNER 9003 (2014) and R3190 early BR black (2014) aren't very old I doubt they are top of the list of Hornby production slots, and they would be labour-intensive to produce, methinks. But then, maybe they did sell well, and since when has Hornby production been in sync with demand? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted September 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2018 Although R3461 BR/LNER apple green 67717 (2016), R3189 LNER 9003 (2014) and R3190 early BR black (2014) aren't very old I doubt they are top of the list of Hornby production slots, and they would be labour-intensive to produce, methinks. But then, maybe they did sell well, and since when has Hornby production been in sync with demand? I think R3190 passed me by actually Rob, or it may be that I would have liked another L1 but not to the extent of c.£120's worth of L1 (or perhaps just that it had an unsuitable shed code on it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 I think R3190 passed me by actually Rob, or it may be that I would have liked another L1 but not to the extent of c.£120's worth of L1 (or perhaps just that it had an unsuitable shed code on it). Indeed these L1s tended to be area-specific. With the occasional gloom about the future of the hobby, and the predicted flood of cheap s/h models from deceased estates ad so on, it hasn't happened yet! I use Hattons as a guide to value, on the basis that they know better than I about the sales of s/h models. Try to buy a mint early Britannia, not 7000 in black, nor 70034, nor 70050, but 70022 or 70045, 70030, and others, not cheap. Mind you people buy 42XX and 52XX 2-8-0Ts so there's no accounting for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2018 Mind you people buy 42XX and 52XX 2-8-0Ts so there's no accounting for it. May you be chained between 5 Bulleid's for that remark - at least Hornby listened to the criticism about the 1st batch (R31**) and reworked them - do I need to list the improvements, again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) I guess they have a certain indefinable charm... but I am told they can be addictive. The green ones seem quite rare. btw I am presuming that 2015-6 versions have better bearings, the 2013 versions ought thus to be cheap? Edited September 30, 2018 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2018 I guess they have a certain indefinable charm... 4283_42xx_2-8-0T_GWR_1ab_r1200.jpg Churchward_BR_4266_42XX_portrait_3abc_r1200.jpg but I am told they can be addictive. The green ones seem quite rare. btw I am presuming that 2015-6 versions have better bearings, the 2013 versions ought thus to be cheap? If they are R32** and above - they have an superior chassis (bearings) , separate smoke box dart and a few other tweaks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 I recall you may have weathered a few, do you have any left? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2018 I recall you may have weathered a few, do you have any left? I have a 52xx (curved footplate) in my to do pile, plus a 42xx and 72xx to do from a client - so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2018 I have a 52xx (curved footplate) in my to do pile, plus a 42xx and 72xx to do from a client - so far I hope the weathering is less than filthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2018 I hope the weathering is less than filthy. A clean Heavy Tank? Highly illogical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) I have a 52xx (curved footplate) in my to do pile, plus a 42xx and 72xx to do from a client - so far Is the curved footplate 52XX a variant where the running board has a bend over the cylinders, or the front section points up or down? Is it like some I have seen suffering from manufacturing/assembly issues? I do enjoy the hunt for a rare model, I look at my green 72XX with enjoyment, even if it is the early 7202. None of my 42XX 72XXs have had any particular issues, most now sold. edited after a little research... Edited October 1, 2018 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaming_chris Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I like these Hornby models, something about the 42/52/72xx tank that, to me, exudes power. I'm also partial to any 2-8-0 used on BR(WR). Regards 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) As per many posts in other threads and Silver Sidelines' blog there are many manufacturing and assembly issues with these engines , 42XX and 52XX at least,with bent running plates, and so far as I can tell these errors, quite major, can occur with any or all production runs. Someone might say otherwise, but I am inclined not to buy one unless I can see it or a photo first. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/132110-42xx-shape-of-the-footplate/?hl=42xx and a very informative essay on straightening poorly made models from Hornby, https://longsheds.blogspot.com/2016/01/no129-hornbys-class-52xx-tanks.html many thanks to the above contributors! cheers edit; I just bought this, early no-brass-bearing version, UKP62 At least I won't have to worry about broken smokebox darts, nor worn bearings, given my layout size. Express headcodes too. We strive for perfection around here. Design Clever lives forever! Edited October 1, 2018 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 Now I'm torn betwixt pristine and not... these are the dilemmas we have to face bravely! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Design Clever lives forever! Be glad that you live in a democracy. People have been shot for less! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted October 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2018 Now I'm torn betwixt pristine and not... 5231_52XX_R3463_pristine_1a_r1535.jpg 5231_52XX_R3463_1abcde_r1517.jpg these are the dilemmas we have to face bravely! Somewhere in between please Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted October 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) Somewhere in between please Rob. About here then It was a 5205 Class before it was rebuilt Edited October 1, 2018 by toboldlygo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted October 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2018 6822 Manton Grange up close and personal. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted October 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2018 6822 Manton Grange up close and personal. 6822.jpg I wonder where she came from 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) In perusing books of Great Western steam I have come to the conclusion that you can get away with anything. Pristine to scrapyard-ready, or even Barry Island condition but still running around Oxford in 1964. I think some of the mixed traffic 4-6-0s really ran well beyond any reasonable expectation in their latter years, conversely Kings and Castles were perhaps withdrawn when still quite clean and not rust-stained? Not sure about 42XX and 52XX classes, but I daresay they spent a lot of time in storage, thus rust would be likely? here is a 72XX I owned about 5 years ago, and another non-western type of great BR heritage. cheers someone will now tell me that BR had some green paint on some engines. Edited October 1, 2018 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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