robmcg Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 Here's one which doesn't seem to need extra weight... Flies under the radar somewhat these days. edited bits and pieces Hornby R3207 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckinneyc Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Here's one which doesn't seem to need extra weight... Flies under the radar somewhat these days. 2001_P2_LNER_portrait15_3a_r1200.jpg edited bits and pieces Hornby R3207 I would love one for my collection but the moulded handrails all over the locomotive and tender put me off from ever buying one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2018 I would love one for my collection but the moulded handrails all over the locomotive and tender put me off from ever buying one Isn’t the tender identical to the ones the A3’s and A4’s hauled? A body swap should simple enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Here's one which doesn't seem to need extra weight... Flies under the radar somewhat these days. 2001_P2_LNER_portrait15_3a_r1200.jpg edited bits and pieces Hornby R3207 I will buy one, one day. But I fear it'll never look as good in my mind's eye as it does in that image Rob...sigh. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) I will buy one, one day. But I fear it'll never look as good in my mind's eye as it does in that image Rob...sigh. C6T. Quite hard to find the full-fat R3207 version these days, let alone the R3440 full-fat gloss version, they are around, but not cheap. Or maybe I have become Scrooge-like in my dotage. Actually the R3171 Railroad version looks pretty good as in this version weathered by James Mower. picture edited. Edited September 11, 2018 by robmcg 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 I am in two minds about which of the Hornby P2 engines is the better value, excluding the R3246 TTS version, same to look at as the full-fat R3207, and also excluding the glossy R3440 ... For me it is between the basic R3171 version with simplified paint at UKP79-85 or the R3207 with a lot of lining and details picked out, and better script, typically over UKP100 s/h.. With the fully-lined version you get accessories and a better box, Not sure if the apple green is a tad darker too. Still, I bought a Rails weathered one some time ago, maybe on the odd occasion this loco actually did get grimy? and I did have a R3207 which I photographed, but then sold... thinking they would always be cheap.... and now, being something of a collector I rather wish I hadn't. ! On the other hand, I photo-edited a R3171... and you cannot really tell the difference. See the dilemmas we face? One more for luck... a R3207 photos edited, naturally, cheers. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Bound to be a re-release Rob to coincide with the launch of Prince of Wales. Knowing Hornby as we do, they'll probably mistime it by 12 months when all the furore has subsided ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I read a lot here about the visual shortcomings of “design clever” models but the major disaster (in my view) was the chassis. Inconsistent motors: some were good, some in the same production model were awful and the addition of a flywheel didn’t improve them. Added to this were inadequate bearing surfaces for the axles. If Hornby does produce another verson of the P2, I hope that it will ride on a decent revised chassis and be driven by a decent motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) I am in two minds about which of the Hornby P2 engines is the better value, excluding the R3246 TTS version, same to look at as the full-fat R3207, and also excluding the glossy R3440 ... For me it is between the basic R3171 version with simplified paint at UKP79-85 or the R3207 with a lot of lining and details picked out, and better script, typically over UKP100 s/h.. 2001_P2_R3171-HX02_3314418_Qty1_1abcd.jpg 2001_P2_R3207-PO04_3435099_Qty1_1abcdef.jpg With the fully-lined version you get accessories and a better box, Not sure if the apple green is a tad darker too. Still, I bought a Rails weathered one some time ago, maybe on the odd occasion this loco actually did get grimy? 2001_P2_Gresley_portrait_4abc_crop1_r1200.jpg and I did have a R3207 which I photographed, but then sold... thinking they would always be cheap.... 2001_P2_portrait_Gresley_CotN_105abcd_r1200.jpg and now, being something of a collector I rather wish I hadn't. ! On the other hand, I photo-edited a R3171... and you cannot really tell the difference. 2001_1_shed_4abcdef_crop2_r1200.jpg See the dilemmas we face? One more for luck... a R3207 2001_P2_portrait_CotN_16abc_crop1_r1200.jpg photos edited, naturally, cheers. Gotta be the fully lined one really, ain't it? A browse of t'interweb pulled up offerings around £120 which seems more than reasonable. For what'll to all intents and purposes be a cabinet trinket though, I'd settle for a dirt cheap non-runner. And if Mr. Decorum is to be believed, I've no reason to doubt him btw, there must be some out there! C6T. Edited September 12, 2018 by Classsix T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 12, 2018 Quite hard to find the full-fat R3207 version these days, let alone the R3440 full-fat gloss version, they are around, but not cheap. Or maybe I have become Scrooge-like in my dotage. Actually the R3171 Railroad version looks pretty good as in this version weathered by James Mower. 2001_speed_LNER_P2_1abcdefg_r1200.jpg picture edited. The smoke effect on that is fantastic.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2018 Oops.... And Houston we have a problem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) How long before Hornby tool up for something like this? In doing the pic I realised how much needs to be changed from the original 2001 so I doubt it will happen. boiler sides, cutoff lever, and the obvious frontal changes, lubricators, and more. 1936 1938 rebuilt 2001 ? This is by no means a finished pic but it's a lot of fun. cheers Edited September 13, 2018 by robmcg 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Oops.... ANTBWD.jpg And Houston we have a problem... IMG_5967.jpg You don't see enough zombies, GWR or otherwise on model railways! Is the problem that you can't find your CD of Also sprach Zarathustra? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 ...1938 rebuilt 2001 ? This is by no means a finished pic but it's a lot of fun... One of the six 'final thoughts' versions for me anyway. (In late crest BR green with 9MT on the cab side sheets) I am prepared to wait for the P2 to go into operation, and then get its front end shape modified to what the LNER decided was the better idea. They didn't do this at random, but because it provided superior exhaust clearance to maintain better crew look out, a learning from the A4s. (I find it curious of the A1 trust that having gone the technically sound route on the A1, take the best of the final design status and improve from there, with the P2 they have started from a known less than satisfactory point. Why not commence from the point which development had taken the design to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 One of the six 'final thoughts' versions for me anyway. (In late crest BR green with 9MT on the cab side sheets) I am prepared to wait for the P2 to go into operation, and then get its front end shape modified to what the LNER decided was the better idea. They didn't do this at random, but because it provided superior exhaust clearance to maintain better crew look out, a learning from the A4s. (I find it curious of the A1 trust that having gone the technically sound route on the A1, take the best of the final design status and improve from there, with the P2 they have started from a known less than satisfactory point. Why not commence from the point which development had taken the design to? I found it very curious too. The “Tornado people” have achieved wonders and seem to be gathering speed by producing the first completed new build project and catching the public imagination. In contrast, the project to build a new Cock o’ the North with the A4 front end seems to have got a bit stuck after producing the frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2018 You don't see enough zombies, GWR or otherwise on model railways! You don't see enough of one of Hornby's best ever models either. 6813 Eastbury Grange. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 One of the six 'final thoughts' versions for me anyway. (In late crest BR green with 9MT on the cab side sheets) I am prepared to wait for the P2 to go into operation, and then get its front end shape modified to what the LNER decided was the better idea. They didn't do this at random, but because it provided superior exhaust clearance to maintain better crew look out, a learning from the A4s. (I find it curious of the A1 trust that having gone the technically sound route on the A1, take the best of the final design status and improve from there, with the P2 they have started from a known less than satisfactory point. Why not commence from the point which development had taken the design to? I don't know why they prefer the less satisfactory original shape (smoke-clearance-wise)... I don't know what valve gear they are using , rotary cam like the originals? stepped or infinitely-variable? Similar to the Duke maybe? Or Walschaert's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) My model railway.... not entirely Hornby cheers Edited September 15, 2018 by robmcg 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 My model railway.... Img_2121a_r1200.jpg Img_2130a_r1200a.jpg 4706_47XX_Img_0344ab_r1200.jpg not entirely Hornby 92124_9F_Img_0297abc_r1200.jpg 92198_9F_Img_0273ab_r1200.jpg cheers What one might describe as a "Minimalist Inglenook/Shunting Plank"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) I don't know why they prefer the less satisfactory original shape (smoke-clearance-wise)... I don't know what valve gear they are using , rotary cam like the originals? stepped or infinitely-variable? Similar to the Duke maybe? Or Walschaert's? Logically, they should use the same gear that has proved a success on DoG, as this was in the line of development from Doncaster's search for something better than the Walschaerts/Gresley derived gear set up standard on all the pre-Thompson three cylinder designs. Edit. Now gone for a quick check on the status of the P2 build: what will hopefully prove a good decision, they intend to use the Franklin B development of the Lentz gear applied on one of the AT&SF 2900 class 4-8-4s. The soft exhaust that will often occur because of the very small cut offs that this gear makes possible, combined with the low back pressure of the Kylchap ejector, are going to make exhaust clearance a very real issue. While it is possible that current aerodynamic modelling technique may be able to secure better performance from a form that looks much as the two first P2s, the likely cheapest development path is to go directly to the proven Bugatti form as finally applied to all six of the class, and see what improvement offers from there... (The prejudice against using the Bugatti treatment appears to revolve around having the P2 look distinctively different from the A4. Well, handsome is as a handsome does, form should follow function, and anyone able to count beyond three will be able to 'spot the difference' in an instant..) Edited September 15, 2018 by 34theletterbetweenB&D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) What one might describe as a "Minimalist Inglenook/Shunting Plank"... Its main drawback is how crowded it gets with all eight of my ex-LMS Portholes on it.... Its main advantage is that it can accommodate this.... Which is Rivarossi ... about as close as I am getting to new Hornby recently . are there any Nelsons in the shops yet I wonder? edit; oh dear Jan 2019..... ah well. Edited September 15, 2018 by robmcg 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 Logically, they should use the same gear that has proved a success on DoG, as this was in the line of development from Doncaster's search for something better than the Walschaerts/Gresley derived gear set up standard on all the pre-Thompson three cylinder designs. Edit. Now gone for a quick check on the status of the P2 build: what will hopefully prove a good decision, they intend to use the Franklin B development of the Lentz gear applied on one of the AT&SF 2900 class 4-8-4s. The soft exhaust that will often occur because of the very small cut offs that this gear makes possible, combined with the low back pressure of the Kylchap ejector, are going to make exhaust clearance a very real issue. While it is possible that current aerodynamic modelling technique may be able to secure better performance from a form that looks much as the two first P2s, the likely cheapest development path is to go directly to the proven Bugatti form as finally applied to all six of the class, and see what improvement offers from there... (The prejudice against using the Bugatti treatment appears to revolve around having the P2 look distinctively different from the A4. Well, handsome is as a handsome does, form should follow function, and anyone able to count beyond three will be able to 'spot the difference' in an instant..) Thanks for that. I imagined that a version of the DoG valve gear might be adopted, but as you say this might cause exhaust clearance issues. Then of course some will say that Lentz gear on a Bugatti front was never original.. but I have no doubt Sr Nigel would have done it in a flash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) waiting for a Lord and look what turns up on my screen... bears some relation to what may appear in shops early next year, edited from Hornby's pic. Edited September 16, 2018 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2018 110 WC/BoB's, 26 (out of 30) Merchant Navies and now 21 out of 40 Q1's... .a crusty 33024 My 11th Hall.. Oh and some proper modelling - a pair of finished Bloaters 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 All this GWR stuff has gone to my head. I must be getting fussy in my dotage but I have found the new Bachmann Atlantics less than engaging, looking at the Oct 2018 magazine pics, and have just bought another Collett King class instead, at I must say a considerably lower price than an Atlantic... I blame the Heljan 47XX which has thin-flanged front wheels, cheese-cutter flanges are a pet gripe for me. Others I suspect have different things which grate... no puns please. and I so like the look of the 47XX. But mostly it's because I am fickle and prone to change. If I did buy another Atlantic it would probably be an Ivatt in GNR or LNER livery. So a win for Hornby selling another King. I'm sure there are people out there who have cupboards full of cheap Kings and B17s. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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