RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2014 just have to watch out for the froth and drool around whalley bridge as it passes micks house! (the above views are my own and not colas'!!) Letter of complaint being drafted to Colas management regarding "views" of one of their employees.............................. With regard to the logs, what's the speed rating of the log wagons? 60 or 75mph? The limiting factor for a 60 has always been it's 60mph top speed. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Letter of complaint being drafted to Colas management regarding "views" of one of their employees.............................. With regard to the logs, what's the speed rating of the log wagons? 60 or 75mph? The limiting factor for a 60 has always been it's 60mph top speed. Cheers, Mick They'll be 60 mph loaded; possibly 75 mph empty. The ones adapted from the former Rover bodywork carriers were 75mph loaded/empty before conversion, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2014 They'll be 60 mph loaded; possibly 75 mph empty. The ones adapted from the former Rover bodywork carriers were 75mph loaded/empty before conversion, I believe. Hi Brian - those were my initial thoughts with differential limits for load/unload condition. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Hi Brian - those were my initial thoughts with differential limits for load/unload condition. Cheers, Mick The Swindon- Longbridge trains used to run under Class 4 timings both loaded or empty; the other ferry wagon types are restricted when loaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2014 On Hemerdon they have been "known" to do about 8mph one away and a lot more the other...depending on things (like drivers nerves I guess ) They'll do more than 8mph with a 60 or 70 on! Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted April 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2014 Letter of complaint being drafted to Colas management regarding "views" of one of their employees.............................. With regard to the logs, what's the speed rating of the log wagons? 60 or 75mph? The limiting factor for a 60 has always been it's 60mph top speed. Cheers, Mick the logs are 60mph whether loaded or empty so 60s will be ideal for it, loaded they "only" weigh approx 1250tons which is a walk in the (treeless) park for a 60 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 As to the speed limit on a class 60, just ask brush to reset the software. There was a test of a 60 vs a 59 when first built. The59 required bogie mods to run at class4 speeds but the 60 brush just reset the software. The same is true of the 92. If you told the computer you were on worn wheels when in fact you were on new ones the top speed was over 90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 My understanding was that the class 60's had very low gearing, in order to maximise the starting/continuous tractive effort. As a result they have a far higher tractive effort than any other loco in this country. Thus by 60mph the motors are spinning pretty quickly, and even if the software could be reprogrammed for higher speeds it would undoubtably result in traction motor issues long term unless they were regeared - which then of course would be costly and lose them the tractive effort advantage thus making them more or less the same as 66 performance wise. Basically a 60 can haul a longer train up a steeper hill than anything else - which is why they were so useful on the heavy oil trains, and why they have managed to survive - there are/were some trains that only a class 60 can haul. As for class 92's doing 90, their design/authorised top speed is 140kph (87mph) so that programming the computer that it is on worn wheels when on new would indeed gain it a little more than 3mph... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2014 wow, that's like Pepsi refettling a bottling plant for coke... I'm intrigued as to why they need to mess with these demics when they have 70s and 66s... because we dont have enough 66s or 70s for all the work we have! Probably a reflection of the state of DBS. With the traffic that others seem to be gaining from them they probably need to generate money from wherever they can get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleJim Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Big Jim you don't know much about the logs do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted May 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2014 erm.....ok! go on, enlighten me then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I'm taking bets on who this is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted May 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2014 I'm taking bets on who this is.if your thinking of that little pratt on wnxx he's already on here as dann1997 whoever littlejim is his 2 posts have been aimed at me personally which is a bit sad really that he/she has to resort to personal swipes to get their little kicks, it will be even more sadder if i discover its a work collegue trying to have a laugh 'little' is the right word! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 You have two stalkers then? Glad I didn't put down any real money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Horse Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I noticed that Jim, I'm new around these parts but it doesn't look very nice. Please try and ignore him and continue to post your tales.......to a complete outsider to the industry they are fascinating, Thank you :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie_pudd Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Any more news on these ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted May 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 10, 2014 One story/rumour/fact/platform end wibble* doing the rounds is that the 60's are being leased by Colas and having overhauls paid for by them. The work may not be to the same depth as the "Super60" program by DBS. They will still be maintained by DBS and when the lease expires, they could well return to DBS useage. Another rumour is that Colas will use a DBS 60 on particular duties until the Colas 60's become available. Usual disclaimer that this could be all speculation and the above could be complete fiction! Cheers, Mick * - delete as approptiate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Is there nothing the moderator can do to stop personal critisism? This is a railway site that is remarkably well served by Big Jim, I don't think there should be a place for trolls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted May 11, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2014 I'm taking bets on who this is. A knob jockey is my guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted May 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2014 Is there nothing the moderator can do to stop personal critisism? This is a railway site that is remarkably well served by Big Jim, I don't think there should be a place for trolls. well i've reported the post so i'll see what happens! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold CovDriver Posted May 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2014 Good on you Jim we can do without trolls like that as I really enjoy looking at your post's Cheers Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest B Exam Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Any more news on these ? Rumours of 60087 having a test run on Monday 19th May, Toton-Doncaster and back. Note: Subject to the usual platform end wibble... 60021 and 60076 inside the shed at Toton as completely stripped shells for rebuilding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted May 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2014 Good on you Jim we can do without trolls like that as I really enjoy looking at your post's Good, here are a couple more for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted May 11, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2014 Good, here are a couple more for you Good use of a ballast board post there!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 well i've reported the post so i'll see what happens! His posts won't reach public view unless he has something useful to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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