JeffP Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Good old predictive text: his post above on Flickr mentions that "desensitisation was well advanced"...I think he mean diselisation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The Freight Train Loads Book was simplified sometime after this (1967) version. This was blamed for the 1978 accident at Hertford North (plus other factors) I wonder how the later version relates to this train?.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2015 Richard, can you clarify what a 25 is in the DXX loco classification for me again please? These codes always defeat me! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Does this help?.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2015 Yes, thanks for that! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Have we been fair to all the other red circle multiple working fitted loco's by just calling the so fitted 31's 'Toffee Apples'? Could all the red circle fitted loco's in this list really work in multiple? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2015 Wasn't 'toffee Apple' the description of the controller on these red circle A1A's? I'm not sure the other red circles had the same controllers. Certainly the Co-bos don't. Now heres a question does the NRM's class leader 30 still have red circle mu control? If so will we one day see a 15/28/30 multi combo? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 J4487 is the 08:30 KX-Cleethorpes (it is missing a fourth TSO at the front of the formation). C2199 does not match the formation of the up Newcastle Executive. It does match the 08:30 Newcastle-KX. C3388 is either the 08:30SX or 09:20SO Newcastle-KX. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted November 21, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) A visit Normanton on Soar on the Midland Main line just north of Loughborough for today's photos, which were taken in September 1970, probably in the first half of the month. There was (and still is- a least a couple of years ago) space to park not far away so both Dad and I quite often went there, especially when visiting relatives in Loughborough. These photos are all taken by Dad. Those who have a good memory may notice that at least one of today's trains has featured before in a photo taken by me. As usual Dad's is better! Normanton on Soar Class 25 5297 down bricks Sept 70 J2373 Normanton on Soar Class 25 5238 up Sept 70 J2375 Normanton on Soar Class 46 160 down ex pass probably 08.22 Paignton to Nottingham Sept 70 J2377 Normanton on Soar Class 44 D3 down l e Sept 70 J2379 Normanton on Soar Class 45 98 down 14.05 St Pancras to Sheffield Sept 70 J2380 David Edited November 22, 2015 by DaveF 40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Hi David and all We discussed the use of red tail lights this week at my model railway club. An ex ER signalman informed us they were quite common used in areas where there were EMUs as tail lamps were not used on the EMUs. The signalmen were looking for a red light not a tail lamp. Which is something that didn't percolate south of the river when the Brighton Belle units were refurbished and fitted with roller blinds and were permitted to run with the red panels in lieu of the until-then customary red lamp at the rear. Notwithstanding that they had been allowing the new-fangled Cig/Big stock to pass without incident for the previous several years with red blinds showing, the first time that the refurbished 'Belle' passed a box (Balham IIRC) showing similar, the bobby proceeded to send 9 bells 'train passed without tail lamp' to the next box down... Edited November 21, 2015 by talisman56 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2015 J22. First van behind the loco is a Gresley pigeon van, more than likely to be offloaded at Chesterfield in order to shat on those of us on the wall. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 J22. First van behind the loco is a Gresley pigeon van, more than likely to be offloaded at Chesterfield in order to shat on those of us on the wall. A neighbour was a pigeon fancier. He used to tell me his pigeons were very intelligent. I never believed him... until now. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted November 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2015 Hi, Dave. Love the photo's of Normanton on Soar. I think the Gresley pigeon van adds character to the front of the train! Then in J2379, there is such a lovely portrait of 44 D3. With best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2015 Wasn't 'toffee Apple' the description of the controller on these red circle A1A's? I'm not sure the other red circles had the same controllers. Certainly the Co-bos don't. Now heres a question does the NRM's class leader 30 still have red circle mu control? If so will we one day see a 15/28/30 multi combo? Andy G Hi Andy Class 15s (BTHs or D82xx to us old uns) were blue star. The D84xx were red circle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 1M18 is I think the 08:22SO Paignton-Nottingham. The steel-panelled Gresley BG is probably substituting for a non-available Mk1 BSK. 1E26 is the 14:05 St Pancras-Sheffield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted November 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2015 J22. First van behind the loco is a Gresley pigeon van, more than likely to be offloaded at Chesterfield in order to shat on those of us on the wall. Mike. What makes you think it's a pigeon van? It appears to be a Diagram 198 steel panelled Corridor Full Brake; as such (with Pullman gangways and buckeye couplings) interchangeable with a BR Mk1 BG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2015 The Gresley full brakes were used as pigeon vans also, but now that the train seems not to be going as far as Sheffield my theory may be a little suspect, although if it got to Nottingham before 4E55 left it could have tagged on to that. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Mornin' Dave, Many thanks for sharing your numerous excellent railway images....my modelling is much richer for having such valuable period reference sources. Best regards Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 The Gresley full brakes were used as pigeon vans also, but now that the train seems not to be going as far as Sheffield my theory may be a little suspect, although if it got to Nottingham before 4E55 left it could have tagged on to that. Mike. There were 3 diagrams of steel panelled BG (ref Steve Banks article - Dec Model Rail 2005) - 198, 245 & 260, the latter two diagrams also covered wood versions just to confuse things! 245 was the pigeon van version, so in theory the van in the photo could be one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D803Albion Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Great photo's, great thread. I have followed every page, what a time machine! Regarding the Deltic shot (C2199) would it not still have a head code in 1975 as opposed to dominos ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2015 Wasn't 'toffee Apple' the description of the controller on these red circle A1A's? I'm not sure the other red circles had the same controllers. Certainly the Co-bos don't. Now heres a question does the NRM's class leader 30 still have red circle mu control? If so will we one day see a 15/28/30 multi combo? Andy G Yes the NRMs 31 still has its red circle 'toffee apple' controller. D5518 (31101) was also originally a toffee apple but was rebuilt as blue star after an accident. The first NBL type 2s D61xx were also red circle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted November 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2015 The Gresley full brakes were used as pigeon vans also, but now that the train seems not to be going as far as Sheffield my theory may be a little suspect, although if it got to Nottingham before 4E55 left it could have tagged on to that. Mike. There were 3 diagrams of steel panelled BG (ref Steve Banks article - Dec Model Rail 2005) - 198, 245 & 260, the latter two diagrams also covered wood versions just to confuse things! 245 was the pigeon van version, so in theory the van in the photo could be one. Well I read about LNER BGs in 'Historic Carriage Drawings' (Jenkinson & Campling) and 'LNER Carriages' (Michael Harris) before I made that comment, from which I understood that the only BGs built specifically with fittings for pigeon traffic were (as Mark says) to Diagram 245, but both also seemed to say that these were teak panelled vans which is why I thought the one in the picture wasn't. I do have a copy of Steve Banks' article filed away but didn't look at it; appreciate it was written more recently than the other two sources and is more comprehensive in some respects, so I wouldn't want to suggest he is wrong! I do remember seeing pigeons being released on the platform at Cambridge in the late '60's / early '70's, but couldn't tell you now what sort of vehicle they were unloaded from! I imagine standard BGs could also have been used, if there were small numbers of pigeon crates involved? Likewise the 'pigeon van' BGs could also have been used in ordinary parcels traffic when not needed for their special purpose (I think the fittings were folding shelves)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Great photo's, great thread. I have followed every page, what a time machine! Regarding the Deltic shot (C2199) would it not still have a head code in 1975 as opposed to dominos ? ...the earliest deltic with domino dot headcodes was I think No 9 in 1973....I have a link to a picture somewhere. Yes headcodes were in use until 1975/76....but.... Dave Edited November 22, 2015 by Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted November 22, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2015 Great photo's, great thread. I have followed every page, what a time machine! Regarding the Deltic shot (C2199) would it not still have a head code in 1975 as opposed to dominos ? I've just checked the date in my slide catalogue, it really was taken in July 1975. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted November 22, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2015 I thought we'd go back in time about 40 years to have a look at the North Yorkshire Moors Railway this afternoon. Grosmont Fowler 0-4-0DH ex British Steel Hartlepool No 21 Aug 75 C2227 Grosmont Class 5 5428 Aug 75 C2229 Grosmont Class 5 5428 leaving Aug 75 C2225 Grosmont sheds J27 2392 being lifted prior to Rail 150 Aug 75 C2218 South of Grosmont AC cars railbus E79978 Grosmont to Goathland Aug 75 C2221 Goathland J27 2392 light engine May 73 C1253 David 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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