Jon Fitness Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Thank you all for the info. I have recently moved to the Isle of Wight having bought the old Ningwood station complete with both 180ft platforms and had always planned to build an OO gauge garden railway wherever we moved to, but now having so much space, I am leaning towards 7mm modelling of the Freshwater, Yarmouth and Newport line. I have already dipped my toes by an impulse Ebay purchase of a cheap modded Lima 4f with brass chassis and finescale wheels .. so much more presence than OO. Thanks .. Andy Andy, You lucky chap! I'd been eyeing that place up during my regular IOW visits but it was way beyond my price bracket! It's surprising how many of the station buildings on the old lines have now become houses. I think Alverstone is my favourite followed by St Lawrence. Enjoy! JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I called Dave at Roxey and he has nothing suitable for the IOW available at this time but may have by the year end or early next year. Worsley Works list a kit for an IOW saloon 6986 but is sides, ends,floor and battery boxes only. Dave said he can supply bogies and other items so this may be a start ... Cheers .. Andy I've built some of the Gibson LBSCR coaches *here* if it's any help but I've had no luck sourcing the SECR types. Jon F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I've built some of the Gibson LBSCR coaches *here* if it's any help but I've had no luck sourcing the SECR types. Jon F. Thats a great link Jon, especially as I too have not built a brass coach before. I rang the Alan Gibson Workshop and left a message enquring about availability as I could not see the kits on the .pdf .. Many thanks .. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Andy, You lucky chap! I'd been eyeing that place up during my regular IOW visits but it was way beyond my price bracket! It's surprising how many of the station buildings on the old lines have now become houses. I think Alverstone is my favourite followed by St Lawrence. Enjoy! JF We have only been here for 6 months, so visiting the other former stations in on the list of things to do .. Along with restoring the Ningwood up platform which still has the old waiting room .. Loving retirement .. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Anyway, back on topic, from a quick search of the forum and web, I can find mention of the following mods to the Island Terriers: Extended coal bunker Relocation of sandbox and tank fillers Buffer beam mods I assume not all mods were applied to all the Locos so I guess it is going to be name/number specific ... I plan to visit Havenstreet with my Box Brownie and take lots of pictures of W8 and W11. Any advice or links again gratefully received. Thanks .. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Re Island Terrier mods: All these depend on date. The terriers as originally purchased by the IWCR were as in LBSC service. Bunkers were extended later Sandboxes remained as built, the Southern imported locos had repositioned boxes as per the SR A!X rebuild. Locos rebuilt as A!X on the Island retained the original Sandboxes. The FYN loco (W2 later W8) arrived with a non-standard LSWR boiler, later replaced with an A!X one. Tank fillers were all as built and never moved. Feed water heating pipes were removed. Note: The Dapol / Hornby Terrier has always had the tank filler in the wrong place. Buffer beams remained as built but buffer position was raised upwards to be more suitable to later height standards. Other detail mods are that the two last survivors (W8 & W13) had LSWR opening cab windows fitted , probably during WW2, most if not all locos received cab doors, W8, W11 & W13 also had front footsteps. Most were Push Pull fitted. Chimney types varied, most latterley carrying LSWR Drummond type. For an accurate model of any loco date is important to establish the details, close reference to photos is essential fortunately photo coverage is very good. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I am surprised by the push-pull fitment as I did not know this type of working was done on the Island. How close are 8 and 11 to when they worked on the Island? You will need to check with photo's from your chosen era as you said. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Thanks Pete, some very useful info there .. Ed, I guess a chat with the knowledgable people at Havenstreet will reveal how W8 and W11 differ in their restored state .. My ambitious plan is to build an end to end line along one of the existing platform edges, over the track bed with representations of stations at Freshwater, Ningwood and the bay at Newport Station used by the FYN. My research so far seems to show that most of the Terriers were transported from the Island back to the mainlandby by the late 40's being replaced by the O2's so parhaps I can model 2 eras, i.e. the 20's and the 50's when I first visited. I think the stations stayed more or less the same during that time .... BTW, the locos will be radio controlled and battery powered as I have already built an R/C unrebuilt and a rebuilt Bullied loco in OO .. But thats another story .. Cheers .. Andy Edited July 22, 2015 by Andy1066 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 The Ventnor West branch was Push-Pull worked from early southern days to its closure. By late SR times this was the principal use for the Terriers along with light goods and the Cement Mill chalk trains. Once the Cement mill closed (1944) there was no justification to retain the class and two Push-Pull fitted O2s came over to replace the last of the terriers (1949). These had a very short life on Push-Pull workings as the Ventnor West branch closed in 1952 the fittings then being removed. Both 8 & 11 are close to the condition they finished IOW service in however no Push-Pull equipment or cab doors. Both have front steps which is a late addition and not correct for their current livery in SR Olive Green 11 carries a Wheeler & Hurst type chimney (correct for early SR). That on 8 is a Drummond (correct for late SR) Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Oops .. Getting carried away there .. just realised that the FYN closed in Sept 1953 and my first visit was in 1959 - Never mind its my railway and I can apply artistic licence if I want .... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Oops .. Getting carried away there .. just realised that the FYN closed in Sept 1953 and my first visit was in 1959 - Never mind its my railway and I can apply artistic licence if I want .... Surely your Bulleids could have worked through the tunnel with through trains for Newport-change for various Island destinations. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Is that the tunnel from the mainland or the one from Cherbourg which was worked by the Fleche d'Or .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Back OT, does anyone have any idea what this little chap is going to have between the frames? I take it that some representation of working motion is unlikely. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Back OT, does anyone have any idea what this little chap is going to have between the frames? I take it that some representation of working motion is unlikely. Ed Don't be impatient. You've only got a week or so to wait to see for yourself. They should arrive any day now according to the latest news from Dapol! http://Dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=information/news&news_id=118 Or maybe not . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 The Dapol news is just saying what we already know their delayed but the BR versions will arrive sooner. Any news if they are on the high sea yet? Great Western Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy crockett Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Yes the boat is on its way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Yes the boat is on its way But are they on it? And is the next boat with my K&ESR one on board about to leave? The way things are going I may have somewhere to run it very soon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 They need to watch out for the Somali model railway pirates. Ed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 There are a number of 7mm coaches available as kits. Roxy do several Bogie LBSC some of which are correct for IOW. (Look for IOW shape mark for the relevant ones) Alan Gibson also produced most types (Currently not available) Others have produced the Bogie LBSC push pull set, this however is as mainland and needs the driving end of the trailer altering for IOW. Some other odd LBSC and LSWR relevant types have also been made. SECR bogie carriages were available from Bill Bedford, I cant vouch for these and internet pictures of the brake 3rd etches appear to show major errors. The saloon looked OK Roxy also do some LSWR parcel vans and a variety of correct wagons. Roxy for Stroudley LBSC 4 wheelers as previous post, also for an add-on set of IOW specific parts for a full rake of 4. D&S produced several relevant LCDR 4 wheelers including the Push Pull set 484, these have not been available for a long time though a push pull kit was on Ebay last year. Coverage of Island types is actually reasonably good but as always with kits availabilty can be very patchy. If you are looking to do an IOW prototype buy anything relevant when you can, you might never see it again. Pete I have contacted Colin at Alan Gibson Workshop re: IOW coaches and he has a 6 and a 7 compartment brake and an all 3rd to go with the Terrier. I think the 3rd will be OK for the IOW but not sure about the brakes as it appears they were modified when brought to the Island? Ta .. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 How many Terriers were on the Island at the peak? I knew they worked Ventnor West ( though not about push/pull), but what other work did they do? Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2015 How many Terriers were on the Island at the peak? I knew they worked Ventnor West ( though not about push/pull), but what other work did they do? Ed There were 8 Island Terriers, the book of the same name shows them on a range of passenger & goods workings on the IoW Rail network. 7 were there at the peak. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Hello LBSC 6 compartment brake certainly OK, I would have to check on the 7 but I think so. (Check they are 54' over headstocks) The LBSC brakes were little altered. Island mods would be removal of Duckets if fitted and over time flush tin sheeting over some / all panelling. The GIbson kits I have are all correct for IOW. I have built a 5 comp one, a 6 remains in the stash. The SECR brakes used on the Island are the carriages which were very heavily modified, I know of no suitable kit for these however they only arrived on the Island as the last of the Terriers was leaving. What is not available at the moment is the LBSC Composite (Gibson did do one) All trains would have had some first class provision. Another Loco worth thinking about is the Ixion Hudswell Clarke, this looks similar to the Manning Wardle 0-6-0T owned by the FYN and later run as W1 "Medina", not 100% match in dimensions it could however be cosmetically detailed to give a plausible model. This could have been used with LBSC 4 wheelers such as the Roxy ones but was mainly used for Goods and Medina Wharf shunter in Southern days (Withdrawn 1932) As above there were 8 Terriers used on the Island with a maximum number in use of 7. Names were added in 1928 W 2 Later renumberd 8 "Freshwater" W 3 Later renumbered 13 "Carisbrooke" W 4 Later renumbered 14 "Bembridge" W 9 Later scrapped and a replacement took the same number "Fishbourne" W 10 "Cowes" W 11 "Newport" W 12 "Ventnor" 2,3 & 4 were renumbered in 1932 to free the numbers for use with E1 class locomotives then arriving. Late 1930s when the Freshwater and Bembridge lines went over to 02 haulage numbers were reduced to 3 covering the remaining duties of the Ventnor West line and light goods. (W8, 11 & 13) Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Thanks Pete, some good info. there .. I watched a few IOW steam videos on Youtube last night and spotted a 7 cmpt brake, although not on the FYN .. Ta .. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Is this one from Worsley Works of interest? Best wishes Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1066 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Is this one from Worsley Works of interest? Best wishes Eric Yes, I saw that Eric but am going for the Alan Gibson coaches as they seem the most complete and Jon F. has a brilliant workshop thread detailing his build of 4 coaches which will help a great deal seeing as these will be my first attempt at 7mm brass kits ... Thanks .. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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