DJM Dave Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 Just a thought, and therefore a question. Will there be chassis available as spares? Ask as I have a MTK 71 that I have been looking for a chassis for for many years. Tried to convert one but it didn't work. Hi mate, At launch the class 71, like all my models, will have 100% spares availability, including chassis. Hope this helps? Cheers Dave 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Is that 100% of available spares (which might be 75% of the model) or 100% of the model will be available as spares, so in theory you should be able to build one entirely from the spares catalogue? Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2015 Is that 100% of available spares (which might be 75% of the model) or 100% of the model will be available as spares, so in theory you should be able to build one entirely from the spares catalogue? Cheers Shane I once ordered a complete locomotive worth of spares for a Roco model. It arrived fully assembled because they had had a slow day at the importer's warehouse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 Is that 100% of available spares (which might be 75% of the model) or 100% of the model will be available as spares, so in theory you should be able to build one entirely from the spares catalogue? Cheers Shane Hi Shane, Yes 100 % spares in my book means that if you purchased all the spares that will be available at launch, you could assemble a complete running locomotive. cheers Dave 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Thanks Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hi mate, At launch the class 71, like all my models, will have 100% spares availability, including chassis. Hope this helps? Cheers Dave Thanks! Although I am getting one of your 71's I have always wanted to finish the MTK, it was a gift from my dad. Sadly I dropped it a couple of years ago so have to start from the beginning again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hi Shane, Yes 100 % spares in my book means that if you purchased all the spares that will be available at launch, you could assemble a complete running locomotive. cheers Dave So we'll have a new form of kit-building then.... That's good to know. Apart from the Class 59, I'll be looking forward to something else that I may like and you may produce in future..... A Class 92, Class 86? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) So we'll have a new form of kit-building then.... That's good to know. Apart from the Class 59, I'll be looking forward to something else that I may like and you may produce in future..... A Class 92, Class 86? While I would like to see more AC locomotives produced it would be interesting to do some of the older types, the 86 and 92 have already been done before although I do know that there are flaws with each. How about E2001? Which could also be done as E1000 and maybe 18100, although I don't know how much the body was modified between being a gas-turbine and an electric locomotive. Edited February 19, 2015 by jsp3970 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) .............. However, i'd say that the progress is good and that i'm now looking at adding another green version. .................... . Excellent. I hope it's a very early version. Edited February 19, 2015 by phil gollin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Lets get this much anticipated 71 on our sheds first (if I can help with testing let me know) but for the future we really do need a nice BR blue class 31. Having just lost my Hornby super detailed one to marzac rot I don't have one and they were iconic locos. 31 412 or 414 would be very nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think you are all jumping the gun a bit. The Class 74 is next ......isn't it Dave? That's what quite a few of us have been waiting for whilst the 71 proves its worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hi Mike, Yes the 74 will come after the 71. And work has been on going on the 74 while the 71 was/is developed. May I ask here if anyone has plans, schematics, drawings or just plain old good photographs of the 74 ( I have about a dozen slides and some plans) that they could lend me for research then I'd be most grateful. I'm particularly interested in roof detail and between the bogies both sides please as these are the areas I'm weak in. Depending on development progress I might push the 74 up the time frame a bit and ask Chris at Kernow whether he will do a crowd sourcing for this model from the 71. What do you all think? Let me know. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hi Mike, Yes the 74 will come after the 71. And work has been on going on the 74 while the 71 was/is developed. May I ask here if anyone has plans, schematics, drawings or just plain old good photographs of the 74 ( I have about a dozen slides and some plans) that they could lend me for research then I'd be most grateful. I'm particularly interested in roof detail and between the bogies both sides please as these are the areas I'm weak in. Depending on development progress I might push the 74 up the time frame a bit and ask Chris at Kernow whether he will do a crowd sourcing for this model from the 71. What do you all think? Let me know. Cheers Dave On behalf of my wallet... "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Would be nice to have a 74 along with my Lima 73's but hopefully that will be later this year so that I can afford one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spannerman Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Hi Mike, Yes the 74 will come after the 71. And work has been on going on the 74 while the 71 was/is developed. May I ask here if anyone has plans, schematics, drawings or just plain old good photographs of the 74 ( I have about a dozen slides and some plans) that they could lend me for research then I'd be most grateful. I'm particularly interested in roof detail and between the bogies both sides please as these are the areas I'm weak in. Depending on development progress I might push the 74 up the time frame a bit and ask Chris at Kernow whether he will do a crowd sourcing for this model from the 71. What do you all think? Let me know. Cheers Dave Good god man, you'll be stoking the fires of froth with comments like that. To some this will be tantamount to a release date set in stone! Edited February 20, 2015 by Spannerman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'll have a 74. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Just found this. Probably too late to be of any use. Dave 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Hi Mike, Yes the 74 will come after the 71. And work has been on going on the 74 while the 71 was/is developed. May I ask here if anyone has plans, schematics, drawings or just plain old good photographs of the 74 ( I have about a dozen slides and some plans) that they could lend me for research then I'd be most grateful. I'm particularly interested in roof detail and between the bogies both sides please as these are the areas I'm weak in. Depending on development progress I might push the 74 up the time frame a bit and ask Chris at Kernow whether he will do a crowd sourcing for this model from the 71. What do you all think? Let me know. Cheers Dave Here's my twopennethworth. Not all good shots but may help with the bogies and the roof panelling. Full res scans are available, of course and I also own the copyrights. Dave Edited February 20, 2015 by dasatcopthorne 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Great photos Dave. It looks as if E6102 has disc wheels, but the others have retained the original spoked wheelsets. Is this right? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 David. I honestly don't know. I think I have read somewhere that they got swapped around but what loco had what wheels in the end, I wouldn't know. Sorry but someone else on here will no doubt know. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Well E5010 has both discs and spokes. Might be an interesting Excercise for me, to go for complete accuracy on both the 71 and 74's ;-) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Just partially answered my own question - according to Diesel and Electric Locomotives of the Southern (Ian Allan 1984): "a circular dated 15 December 1967 informed various officers and depots that five HBs (74s) were to be experimentally fitted with solid disc wheels, as were for comparative purposes HAs Nos E5001-6." It goes on to say that other suspension changes during the rebuild "did not improve the ride, which was now bouncy at all speeds, one locomotive bouncing right off the road" - despite this, "when running light, they had the acceleration of a powerful sports car". Blimey! Any chance of some soft springs on the 74 Dave?! Really looking forward to both the 71 and the 74, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 On crowd-sourcing, how much, roughly, does that mean up front Dave? 50%? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted February 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2015 DavidB, on 20 Feb 2015 - 19:04, said: Just partially answered my own question - according to Diesel and Electric Locomotives of the Southern (Ian Allan 1984): "a circular dated 15 December 1967 informed various officers and depots that five HBs (74s) were to be experimentally fitted with solid disc wheels, as were for comparative purposes HAs Nos E5001-6." It goes on to say that other suspension changes during the rebuild "did not improve the ride, which was now bouncy at all speeds, one locomotive bouncing right off the road" - despite this, "when running light, they had the acceleration of a powerful sports car". Blimey! Any chance of some soft springs on the 74 Dave?! Really looking forward to both the 71 and the 74, David In 1974, I spent a week riding the rails on the South Eastern Division, in the cab with a Motive Power Inspector. The 71 was fairly smooth on decent track, but the 73 was a better overall ride in my memory. How the 74 fared, having had the benefit of a diesel prime mover etc bolted to the frame, I have no idea. My recollection is that they were not a great investment in reliability terms. In 1976, I think, I found myself at an Eastleigh Open Day. At one point there was suddenly a "Wugga Wugga Wugga Wugga Vroom" as a 74 started its diesel. Seconds later a fat kid emerged from the cab in some hurry, declaiming "I never touched nuffink!" Yeah, right. A competent person oversaw shutdown, and sealing of the cab thereafter. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Hi mate, At present, I've worked out the 74 will need the following slides...... Roof Ends x 2 Sides x 2 Then it needs the following Bogies x 2 Under frame moulding Rubbing plates x 2 Wheel sets ( disc) Now, looking at this logically, the cost for slides would amount to a new body tool and give more rigidity for the tool ( obviously) and cause less trouble over the life of the tool. So all I have to give from the 71 is the chassis, but will still need the other parts. Don't get me wrong, it's doable, but we are looking at another crowdsourcing around the 800 sign ups I think to be practicable and push it forward. However I have 2 reservations.... 1) that the market could stand another crowd source where payment is up front ( although secure) and that 2) Kernow might not want to be tied into 2 lots of hard cash for a third party. However I have yet to speak to Chris, and will probably do that in person in the next week to 10 days when I test the Beattie well tanks that arrive soon. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Thanks Dave - no great rush! But in principle, I would put my sovs up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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