Edwardian Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Gismorail - Clearly, then, you are a suitable case for treatment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2015 I have HK06 Ultramarine Blue, HK09 Kind Edward II, HK10 Early Lined Green, HK14 King Edward I and Steam Museums King George V as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 .... (if it can do what Horsetan asks) .... Sorry, what did I ask it to do again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2015 P4 conversion or smokebox door or W1 hush hush lol take your pick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 ...Now if djm end up with body's and tenders as spares.... Given overseas production practices (i.e. "only just enough"), I'd observe that we're unlikely to enjoy such a luxury. We'll just have to wait for wrecked ones (and there will be those thanks to the butterfingered amongst us!) to turn up on eBay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Given overseas production practices (i.e. "only just enough"), I'd observe that we're unlikely to enjoy such a luxury. We'll just have to wait for wrecked ones (and there will be those thanks to the butterfingered amongst us!) to turn up on eBay. ALL DJM loco's, both DJM's own brand or commissioned ones will have, at the launch of the model as a RTR product, 100% of all components sitting at DJM towers in case of problems, or wanted out of warrenty spares. Each component is numbered on the schematic diagram and will be, as currently the Beattie is and the O2, J94 and Class 71 to follow. Hope this helps? cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2015 Will the locos be supplied with a schematic diagram with component numbers? Or will they be available online? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 ...Hope this helps?... Certainly a breath of fresh air as far as spares availability is concerned. Hopefully you'll be publishing price lists of spares? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Will the locos be supplied with a schematic diagram with component numbers? Or will they be available online? Hi, both :-) And yes to Horsetan too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2015 Absolutely amazing. Only slight downside is the cab glazing. On most models it would look OK but next to all that intricate detail it rather stands out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2015 As was said though, this is early CADs. Still some changes and more detailing to be made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Oh dear oh dear oh dear..... I can feel my credit card being drawn to King Edward II. The force is strong with this one....... It is futile to resist..... But must try.. HELP ME somebody. AAAARGHH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2015 Do you need help to preorder? As you said, resistance is futile lol. I've preordered 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Echoing comments on the 71 thread, the djm/Hornby around competition. From th cads, and the westerns, I'd be extremely surprised if the djm models do not end up being better albeit more expensive. With a corporate overhead to service, it would not surprise me To see certain commercial compromises made on the Hornby model. We see it at Bachmann too (eg modified hall - given their general competence, there's no way they were not aware of the issues..) I have three djm on order (including the steam version). The area where Hornby scores for me is tts. (I have a Hornby tts king in order) I'm sure some will point out the errors in cylinder beat etc but, for the price it is a great product. If I were Dave, I'd be looking into a way of bringing sound costs down. If I want to pay a hundred quid or so, I can ask a specialist to fit an accurate chip (prob beyond my skills to do effectively and at low damage risk and in a sensible time frame). To draw the analogy above out, Dave appears to be able to deliver a detailed product and a comparable price to the red/blue teams due to his lower cost base. If he could deliver top quality sound for a price +20/25 over the tts price, he'll be onto a winner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted June 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2015 At the moment links with parent company manufacturing in China are so tenuous that I believe that Bachmann in Barwell had little control over delivery of the "finished product "in terms of the Modified Hall.Obviously when the first ones were returned some time ago the message got garbled in the telling.With time and distance involved this was perhaps an accident waiting to happen....and now we're stuck with it....a situation currently beyond redemption . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Interesting comment Ian - what's your evidence for that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 Interesting comment Ian - what's your evidence for that? Firstly...we're on the wrong thread here,so we'd better pursue this elsewhere,if you think it necessary. Secondly,it is generally accepted that due to social and economic upheaval in China ( and bear in mind Bachmann Europe is Chinese owned ),there have been production difficulties for a while.This is exhaustively documented elsewhere on this forum.Just as ONE example ,I will cite the difficulties experienced when they took deliveries of the revamped Class 40's and whole batches had to be disassembled for removal of non conductive grease and then put back together again....all this done at Barwell..I think ( and please remember that what I posted is merely an opinion ) that the Modified Hall is one that just slipped under the radar due to commercial and production pressures which have their roots on the other side of the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 This is looking superb and I am particularly impressed with the solid look at the front end, so characteristic of the prototype. Are all the pipes going to be separate fittings on the other side of the front end? The only things which jump out to me are the handrail knobs look a little on the plump side. Overall though very impressive. I like the chunky solid appearance of the slide bars and what looks like a fairly accurate rendition of the coupling rods. Does the inside motion work? Regards Mark Humphrys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 The only things which jump out to me are the handrail knobs look a little on the plump side. I suspect this DJMs secret response to Hornby's current strategy of having knobs at the wrong angle. People can then choose between thick knobs at the right angle or thin knobs at the wrong one. Shhhh keep this strategy secret though or Hornby might offer us thick knobs at the wrong angle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 As the actress said to the bishop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 24, 2015 Who would have ever thought we'd be having a discussion about the footplate detailing in 2015, when 30 years ago some models still have an x04 motor hanging out the back of the footplate. What I really want to know, is does the model include the driver's sandwiches? Is his lunchbox the correct colour? After all, we are apparently getting the cheese sandwich propping the door open on the Rapido APT-E....................... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 ...I love how the frames are full and don't have a huge unprototypical gap between them and the bogie... That's going to require a design solution for an R2 capable model, and I look forward to seeing it. This feature alone will mark a significant advance in realism for RTR OO. (Hoping that once one manufacturer shows that it can be done for a reliable OO RTR result, the others will follow.) The problem to be solved is that with the model on R2, the leading bogie wheel on the outside rail of the curve is right on the centre line of the model. Thus inescapably there has to be an arch beneath the model from side to side for clearance of this wheelset, and with that comes the unprototypical gap. A light blocker on the bogie frame or pivot seems the obvious solution: but it hasn't been applied on any OO model I am aware of. The mount of the NEM coupler pocket on the bogie pivot of the Bachmann A1 and A2 comes closest in concept, and can be user modified to this purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 As the actress said to the bishop. Kindly leave the Vestry....... Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 As the actress said to the bishop. Enough to try the patience of a Saint................. Let alone a King.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/hattonsmodelcentre/photos/a.762849267068841.1073741830.217917844895322/938742436146189/?type=1&theater I got snapped sitting down with Dave Mylett at Hattons looking at the King CADs; we went into an awful lot of detail, especially on variations between specific models and the full story and pics will be in August BRM (on sale from 9th July) and in the digital edition and on here from Friday 3rd July. I am genuinely excited by what I've seen and I have to say I have never seen anything like it at this stage of development; it's genuinely unprecedented to see so much detail and it looks to be pushing the boundaries of what components can be produced and fitted. This product could be in a different league from what has gone before and it's evident that everyone is passionate about the detail so it's going to be very exciting to see the next stages in the process. For now here's a little taster of an extract from one of the images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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