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...Now if djm end up with body's and tenders as spares....

 

Given overseas production practices (i.e. "only just enough"), I'd observe that we're unlikely to enjoy such a luxury. We'll just have to wait for wrecked ones (and there will be those thanks to the butterfingered amongst us!) to turn up on eBay.

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Given overseas production practices (i.e. "only just enough"), I'd observe that we're unlikely to enjoy such a luxury. We'll just have to wait for wrecked ones (and there will be those thanks to the butterfingered amongst us!) to turn up on eBay.

 

ALL DJM loco's, both DJM's own brand or commissioned ones will have, at the launch of the model as a RTR product, 100% of all components sitting at DJM towers in case of problems, or wanted out of warrenty spares. Each component is numbered on the schematic diagram and will be, as currently the Beattie is and the O2, J94 and Class 71 to follow.

 

Hope this helps?

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Dave :locomotive:

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Oh dear oh dear oh dear.....

 

I can feel my credit card being drawn to King Edward II. The force is strong with this one....... It is futile to resist..... But must try..

 

HELP ME somebody. AAAARGHH

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Echoing comments on the 71 thread, the djm/Hornby around competition. From th cads, and the westerns, I'd be extremely surprised if the djm models do not end up being better albeit more expensive. With a corporate overhead to service, it would not surprise me To see certain commercial compromises made on the Hornby model. We see it at Bachmann too (eg modified hall - given their general competence, there's no way they were not aware of the issues..)

 

I have three djm on order (including the steam version). The area where Hornby scores for me is tts. (I have a Hornby tts king in order) I'm sure some will point out the errors in cylinder beat etc but, for the price it is a great product.

 

If I were Dave, I'd be looking into a way of bringing sound costs down. If I want to pay a hundred quid or so, I can ask a specialist to fit an accurate chip (prob beyond my skills to do effectively and at low damage risk and in a sensible time frame). To draw the analogy above out, Dave appears to be able to deliver a detailed product and a comparable price to the red/blue teams due to his lower cost base. If he could deliver top quality sound for a price +20/25 over the tts price, he'll be onto a winner

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At the moment links with parent company manufacturing in China are so tenuous that I believe that Bachmann in Barwell had little control over delivery of the "finished product "in terms of the Modified Hall.Obviously when the first ones were returned some time ago the message got garbled in the telling.With time and distance involved this was perhaps an accident waiting to happen....and now we're stuck with it....a situation currently beyond redemption .

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Interesting comment Ian - what's your evidence for that?

Firstly...we're on the wrong thread here,so we'd better pursue this elsewhere,if you think it necessary.

Secondly,it is generally accepted that due to social and economic upheaval in China ( and bear in mind Bachmann Europe is Chinese owned ),there have been production difficulties for a while.This is exhaustively documented elsewhere on this forum.Just as ONE example ,I will cite the difficulties experienced when they took deliveries of the revamped Class 40's and whole batches had to be disassembled for removal of non conductive grease and then put back together again....all this done at Barwell..I think ( and please remember that what I posted is merely an opinion ) that the Modified Hall is one that just slipped under the radar due to commercial and production pressures which have their roots on the other side of the world.

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This is looking superb and I am particularly impressed with the solid look at the front end, so characteristic of the prototype. Are all the pipes going to be separate fittings on the other side of the front end?

 

The only things which jump out to me are the handrail knobs look a little on the plump side.

 

Overall though very impressive. I like the chunky solid appearance of the slide bars and what looks like a fairly accurate rendition of the coupling rods. Does the inside motion work? :mosking:

 

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Mark Humphrys

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The only things which jump out to me are the handrail knobs look a little on the plump side.

 

I suspect this DJMs secret response to Hornby's current strategy of having knobs at the wrong angle. People can then choose between thick knobs at the right angle or thin knobs at the wrong one. Shhhh keep this strategy secret though or Hornby might offer us thick knobs at the wrong angle.

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Who would have ever thought we'd be having a discussion about the footplate detailing in 2015, when 30 years ago some models still have an x04 motor hanging out the back of the footplate.

 

What I really want to know, is does the model include the driver's sandwiches? Is his lunchbox the correct colour?

 

After all, we are apparently getting the cheese sandwich propping the door open on the Rapido APT-E.......................

 

Cheers,

Mick

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...I love how the frames are full and don't have a huge unprototypical gap between them and the bogie...

That's going to require a design solution for an R2 capable model, and I look forward to seeing it. This feature alone will mark a significant advance in realism for RTR OO. (Hoping that once one manufacturer shows that it can be done for a reliable OO RTR result, the others will follow.)

 

The problem to be solved is that with the model on R2, the leading bogie wheel on the outside rail of the curve is right on the centre line of the model. Thus inescapably there has to be an arch beneath the model from side to side for clearance of this wheelset, and with that comes the unprototypical gap. A light blocker on the bogie frame or pivot seems the obvious solution: but it hasn't been applied on any OO model I am aware of. The mount of the NEM coupler pocket on the bogie pivot of the Bachmann A1 and A2 comes closest in concept, and can be user modified to this purpose.

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https://www.facebook.com/hattonsmodelcentre/photos/a.762849267068841.1073741830.217917844895322/938742436146189/?type=1&theater

 

I got snapped sitting down with Dave Mylett at Hattons looking at the King CADs; we went into an awful lot of detail, especially on variations between specific models and the full story and pics will be in August BRM (on sale from 9th July) and in the digital edition and on here from Friday 3rd July.

 

I am genuinely excited by what I've seen and I have to say I have never seen anything like it at this stage of development; it's genuinely unprecedented to see so much detail and it looks to be pushing the boundaries of what components can be produced and fitted. This product could be in a different league from what has gone before and it's evident that everyone is passionate about the detail so it's going to be very exciting to see the next stages in the process.

 

For now here's a little taster of an extract from one of the images.

 

lower front Extract.jpg

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