RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2014 Reminds me of a poem I once saw written on the wall of an old brake van. "The guard is the man The man in the van The van at the end of the train The driver up front Thinks the guard is a c$@t And the guard thinks the drivers the same" Best attempt yet (sorry to the others!)...! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 ...Logically if Oxford Rail are wishlist skimming and going for smaller locos their first choice would be the H even tho' it involves making a workable 0-4-4T from a seemingly inexperienced starting point... I'll bite! Really don't think there is much in it between the Radial and the H, when it comes to packing in a good mechanism. The first thing not to do on an 0-4-4T is copy Hornby's layout from the M7. I doubt there's another OO/HO 0-4-4T available to copy, so any designer is on their own. But the H does boast a decent pair of side tanks running back from the rear coupled wheelset to the cab: bags of room there for concealing motor and gear train driving the rear coupled axle, leaving the space forward vacant for the largest lump of dense material that can be fitted for mass over the drivers. Decoder socket and space in the bunker, leaving the cab clear. Now look at the Radial. Tiny little side tanks, a boiler barely bigger than a tea urn, cab that has to be see through. While it may not have the balance problem intrinsic to the 0-4-4T, it's going to need a very carefully arranged miniature mechanism to produce a fully concealed drive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) The man out the back, Was laying four mil track, But was vexed by the width of the gauge, The vagaries of four mil, Was making him ill, So he threw out the lot in a rage! Or how's about..... The black rat in a car, Is the worse by far, And if stopped he's invariably blunt, When enforcing the law, he's an incredible bore, And no doubt you'll think he's a c**+ Don't stop me......I'm on a roll! Edited October 29, 2014 by BlackRat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'll bite! Really don't think there is much in it between the Radial and the H, when it comes to packing in a good mechanism. The first thing not to do on an 0-4-4T is copy Hornby's layout from the M7. I doubt there's another OO/HO 0-4-4T available to copy, so any designer is on their own. But the H does boast a decent pair of side tanks running back from the rear coupled wheelset to the cab: bags of room there for concealing motor and gear train driving the rear coupled axle, leaving the space forward vacant for the largest lump of dense material that can be fitted for mass over the drivers. Decoder socket and space in the bunker, leaving the cab clear. Now look at the Radial. Tiny little side tanks, a boiler barely bigger than a tea urn, cab that has to be see through. While it may not have the balance problem intrinsic to the 0-4-4T, it's going to need a very carefully arranged miniature mechanism to produce a fully concealed drive. Having built an M7 in both 4mm & 7mm scale I know that it is feasible to produce a chassis that stops the usual bunker yawing and balancing the weight distribution. With the 4mm model I used the Guy Williams method of constructing the chassis as a 0-8-0 with a pivot point behind the rear drivers thus allowing the chassis to flex with front and rear pivots. In 7mm scale I just reversed the method I used for 4-4-0's involving side control springing and the rear of the loco supported on the centre of the bogie. The side control springing controlling the swing of the bunker and leading the loco into the curve. Now on the 7mm scale Adams radial I built the chassis as a 4-6-0 with the rear axle sprung vertically, side control on the front bogie. The gear drive on the rear axle with the motor pointing forward and contained within the driving wheel wheelbase. I would think this method would work on a 4mm version and leave room for a decoder, not a problem I had in any of these build as DCC had not been developed then. Unfortunately chassis design has not been a strong point with RTR manufacturers which has given rise of companies like Brassmasters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedrahn Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Now look at the Radial. Tiny little side tanks, a boiler barely bigger than a tea urn, cab that has to be see through. If anyone feels like spending a large sum of money while they're waiting for the mystery to be revealed, I'm sure the Bluebell Railway would welcome a new live steam tea urn for 488. It would have to be a bit bigger than 4mm Scale, though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2014 Didn't some Adams Radials get loaned to one of the Scottish lines in WW1? Or was the latter working up there on a military railway? smegonline says "Early in 1918 numbers 0480/1/5/7 were sent to Glasgow on their way to help out on the Highland Railway during an acute shortage of locomotives at the end of WW1. They remained there until 1919 for 0480/1 and 1921 for the remaining 0485/7. " 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I mentioned earlier about a Welsh Radial, here it is. It ran on the Brecon and Merthyr Railway. Beyer, Peacock & Co. 4-4-2T 1 44 1391 ex-LSWR 46 class No. 0376 Loconuts 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) The Adams Radial was pretty obscure. Only three survived past the 1920s, one of those via the Ministry of Munitions and Col. Stephens before being bought back by the Southern in 1946, as they were one of the few things that fitted on a little-used light railway in the south-west. Didn't some Adams Radials get loaned to one of the Scottish lines in WW1? No more obscure than the Beattie Well tanks and they seem to have done all right as 4mm models. Also three times less obscure than a certain bright green one-off produced by Hornby that didn't remain in the form modelled for much longer than the time spent by the loaned Radials in Scotland............ John Edited October 30, 2014 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) No more obscure than the Beattie Well tanks and they seem to have done all right as 4mm models. Also three times less obscure than a certain bright green one-off produced by Hornby that didn't remain in the form modelled for much longer than the time spent by the loaned Radials in Scotland............ John But you know what they say about Big Green Engines! Perhaps we're missing a hint era-wise? The ads in the mags have Blood'n'Custard backgrounds.... As for the teaser web page and doggerel verse, we've got a tad over 9 days left. Its going to be a long and frothy 9 days! (added) Just a thought. The reveal is mid-day on Saturday 8th November, the mags are out on the 13th. So the ad departments will have the release copy already - has anyone any contacts there??? Edited October 30, 2014 by Hroth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2014 I can just about make out a small wheel (as from a pony truck) ahead of the smokebox on the illustration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidnutter Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The dome is starting to appear. Looks like a pair of safety valves which rules out a T3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 .... the ad departments will have the release copy already - has anyone any contacts there??? Yes, several. And they've all told me in utmost secrecy what it is, so I'll be sure to tell this secret forum later as long as you all promise not to tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted October 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2014 So it's not the Fell then 'Chard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 So it's not the F*** then 'Chard? No, no. Any RTR manufacturer who were to attempt such a crime against nature would find unspeakable disasters, plagues and pestilence affect them spontaneously. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNWR lives on Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Whats the betting that: 1. The steamer is a smokescreen and its a diesel they are producing 2. The website will crash at 12.01 on saturday the 8th David 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Cracked it. It's a DCC controlled 4mm tea urn with smoke generator and boiling water sound effects for those finescale knit-your-own-valve-gear warriors who absolutely must have a fully detailed staff canteen. Oxford's research department mis-read those of us of a more modern modelling tendency who keep posting about "kettles" and thought that was what we wanted. Easy mistake to make, really. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatheringMan Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi, Think of a seaside resort with a feature from near a North Wales loco works. Think of a floor covering not in Wiltshire. Put them together in railway geography and there is the answer. Regards 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi, Think of a seaside resort with a feature from near a North Wales loco works. Think of a floor covering not in Wiltshire. Put them together in railway geography and there is the answer. Regards Got it. Excellent riddle, hope it is this! (Or you'll be on the carpet... :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) I recon it's going to be a GNR Stirling Single - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/GNR_Stirling_1_at_Doncaster_Works.jpg Edit - On a serious note, the obscured panel could be long enough for a tender engine. Edited October 30, 2014 by Catkins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold John B Posted October 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2014 One (at least) was on loan to the Highland Railway during WW1 - the Highland Railway Society has at least one photograph of it at Fortrose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2014 Two more lines of poetry added, "How did he look - was he strong. Did he die, or am I wrong.". I might be staring at it too much but there appears to be outside cylinders angled back slightly. The dome is starting to appear. Looks like a pair of safety valves which rules out a T3. The first boiler ring is also visible, the dome appears to be on the second ring. I thought I'd seen the dome with the safety valves on top a couple of days ago but I wasn't sure, now I think I can see what looks like a Belpaire firebox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi, Think of a seaside resort with a feature from near a North Wales loco works. Think of a floor covering not in Wiltshire. Put them together in railway geography and there is the answer. Regards The only north Wales loco works I can think of is Boston Lodge, near Porthmadog. So, what on Earth is a Criccieth Lino? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2014 The only north Wales loco works I can think of is Boston Lodge, near Porthmadog. So, what on Earth is a Criccieth Lino? Axminster is not in Wiltshire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The only north Wales loco works I can think of is Boston Lodge, near Porthmadog. So, what on Earth is a Criccieth Lino? There's also the Llangollen Railway Engineering Works, with three "new-build" projects (Patriot, Bretton Grange and 4709) in progress, so we've got Conwy, Colwyn Bay, Abergele, Rhyl, Prestatyn and Talacre in striking distance. Great Orme Trams????? And there's Kidderminster, which in "railway geography" terms is associated with the SVR... Bah. I never liked riddles and crossword clues anyway. I'll wait until the fuss is all over! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) There's also the Llangollen Railway Engineering Works, with three "new-build" projects (Patriot, Bretton Grange and 4709) in progress, so we've got Conwy, Colwyn Bay, Abergele, Rhyl, Prestatyn and Talacre in striking distance. Great Orme Trams????? And there's Kidderminster, which in "railway geography" terms is associated with the SVR... I wouldn't describe any of those resorts are near to Llangollen unless you have a very fast jet or a very small scale map. In any case has there ever been a class of loco called a Conway Rug, Llandudno Laminate or Abergele Axminster? I did wonder if it was a Barmouth shagpile but I'd never heard of a loco being named after the barmaid at the Tal-y-Don. Edited October 30, 2014 by wombatofludham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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