RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2015 Either that, or the £220 will be worth....£220! ....minus inflation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Has anyone heard anything more about this since its announcement? Not a sausage but that applies to their 1366 class too, very quiet.And the 009 L&B Manning-Wardle too. Nothing but crickets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 That's what makes me suspect these manufacturers, and their 'announcements'; throw an idea to the public, and see how they bite, if the reaction isn't good enough - it gets quietly dropped - for now!That might well be true for some. Others clearly announce when they are well down the path of developing CAD and/or tooling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I just accessed my copy of the book on 1934 GWR locomotive allocations and noticed the following for the nine 47XX class: Tyseley: 4700, 4701 Exeter: 4702, 4706 Old Oak Common: 4703, 4705, 4707, 4708 Laira: 4704 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 ...Others clearly announce when they are well down the path of developing CAD and/or tooling. ...whilst being careful not to show anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2015 I recently acquired a Crownline 'conversion' kit for the awful old Hornby King body. A Jamieson nickel-silver King will be used for the boiler instead. I know that the Swindon boilers are different but with some cutting down/adding to and slight diameter adjustment should prove sufficient, but hopefully an 'all metal' engine will evolve. Watch this space! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 ...I know that the Swindon boilers are different but with some cutting down/adding to and slight diameter adjustment should prove sufficient, but hopefully an 'all metal' engine will evolve... Wouldn't a Castle boiler be a better starting point? They were, after all, just a light weight version of the 47XX boiler, 3" smaller diameter but otherwise the same, and with the same firebox. Nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2015 Some time ago, I started putting £1 a week into an old coffee jar marked "Heljan Loco Fund" as a bit of a joke. I'd love to be proven wrong but I'm beginning to think I shall have saved enough to buy both a 1366 and a 47xx by the time they arrive. I am usually disappointed by the contents of Bachmann's, annual "progress report", but at least they offer something of an update. Should I divert my savings to the purchase of a crystal ball? John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Nah, crystal meth. Edited March 20, 2015 by Corbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I recently acquired a Crownline 'conversion' kit for the awful old Hornby King body...... Et tu, Brute? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Wouldn't a Castle boiler be a better starting point? They were, after all, just a light weight version of the 47XX boiler, 3" smaller diameter but otherwise the same, and with the same firebox. Nick. Thanks Nick. Yes it would but I don't have a nickel-silver one of those! The Jamieson King boiler makes up 'open' underneath to allow for diameter reduction. Hopefully when it's finished "it will look like a 47xx so it must be a 47xx"! Edited March 20, 2015 by Re6/6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2015 And the 009 L&B Manning-Wardle too. Nothing but crickets. I've seen CAD drawings of both the 1366 and the L&B in the model press, so there is some work going on with those at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D826 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) I read somewhere that they were nicknamed NIght Owls by crews at Saltley SHed as they were mainly used on overnight freights. Trouble is I cannot remember where I read it.Just browsing through the Dictionary of a Railway Slang - by Harvey Sheppard -1965. A booklet produced by Somerset Education Committee Dillington House college for Adult Education, Ilminster ,Somerset. The copy I have refers to the second edition 'being reprinted to meet demands of railwaymen who continue to attend Dillington House. Additions to the dictionary are welcome and should be sent to the warden'. The dedication in the book also refers to courses and conferences run at Dillington since 1951 attended 'by railwaymen of all regions in Great Britain. They have given me examples of railway slang and this booklet is the result' Within the book, the 'Owl' is referred to refer to a Paddington to Penzance overnight train. Since these were often hauled by 47XX might that be where the modern corruption has come from? The same book mentions 57XX being 'matchboxes' and a 97XX with condensing equipment a 'Tunnel motor'. 9f's - Combine Harevesters! Regards Matt Wood Edited April 24, 2015 by D826 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I can concur that when I was a wee lad in the fifties in Gloucester, 57xxs were always called matchbox tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwell Hall Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Just browsing through the Dictionary of a Railway Slang - by Harvey Sheppard -1965. A booklet produced by Somerset Education Committee Dillington House college for Adult Education, Ilminster ,Somerset. The copy I have refers to the second edition 'being reprinted to meet demands of railwaymen who continue to attend Dillington House. Additions to the dictionary are welcome and should be sent to the warden'. The dedication in the book also refers to courses and conferences run at Dillington since 1951 attended 'by railwaymen of all regions in Great Britain. They have given me examples of railway slang and this booklet is the result' Within the book, the 'Owl' is referred to refer to a Paddington to Penzance overnight train. Since these were often hauled by 47XX might that be where the modern corruption has come from? The same book mentions 57XX being 'matchboxes' and a 97XX with condensing equipment a 'Tunnel motor'. 9f's - Combine Harevesters! Regards Matt Wood It is my understanding that 'Tunnel Motor' refers to the Dean 633 class 0-6-0 side tanks with condensing gear that preceeded the 97xx class - although the later engines probably carried on the tradition. Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Et tu, Brute? I remember that loco.....always Roman around the system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2015 (edited) It is my understanding that 'Tunnel Motor' refers to the Dean 633 class 0-6-0 side tanks with condensing gear that preceeded the 97xx class - although the later engines probably carried on the tradition. Gerry 97s were known as 'tunnel motors at Old Oak. I have spoken to a couple of men who fired on 633s in the Smithfield Link at Old Oak but neither of them referred to them as 'tunnel motors' although it is not at all unlikely taht they may well have also been given that name. Just browsing through the Dictionary of a Railway Slang - by Harvey Sheppard -1965. A booklet produced by Somerset Education Committee Dillington House college for Adult Education, Ilminster ,Somerset. The copy I have refers to the second edition 'being reprinted to meet demands of railwaymen who continue to attend Dillington House. Additions to the dictionary are welcome and should be sent to the warden'. The dedication in the book also refers to courses and conferences run at Dillington since 1951 attended 'by railwaymen of all regions in Great Britain. They have given me examples of railway slang and this booklet is the result' Within the book, the 'Owl' is referred to refer to a Paddington to Penzance overnight train. Since these were often hauled by 47XX might that be where the modern corruption has come from? The same book mentions 57XX being 'matchboxes' and a 97XX with condensing equipment a 'Tunnel motor'. 9f's - Combine Harevesters! Regards Matt Wood Alas I missed out on the Diliington House courses - by the time I went on one the WR courses had been transferred to the WR Training School at Westbury and were run wholly internally. I suspect a book of railway slang was intended as much for the use of Dillington House staff as those attending the courses as I can just imagine one of the 'mock' consultation meetings on the course descending into 'railway speak' leaving the outside tutors gasping (should that be 'grasping'?) to understand what was being talked about. Edited April 24, 2015 by The Stationmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 25, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2015 I'd love to see some of the progress on this. Even a very early CAD or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2015 I'd love to see some of the progress on this. Even a very early CAD or something. Like their 1366 announcement, they say they're doing it and then you don't hear a dickie bird.Frustrating for potential customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Like their 1366 announcement, they say they're doing it and then you don't hear a dickie bird.Frustrating for potential customers. I don,t think they actually announced it themselves, just a poster at a build a new 47xx group strongly hinted it was in Heljans plans. I agree that Heljans time scales have gone though the roof though, this puts them on a bad footing with the loco that both they and Kernow are doing. Cannot wait to order the 47xx, when details become known someday.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I don,t think they actually announced it themselves, just a poster at a build a new 47xx group strongly hinted it was in Heljans plans. I agree that Heljans time scales have gone though the roof though, this puts them on a bad footing with the loco that both they and Kernow are doing. Cannot wait to order the 47xx, when details become known someday.... At Warley last year there was a large poster on the Heljan stand. Definitely announced! Definitely by Heljan! Luke 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I don,t think they actually announced it themselves, just a poster at a build a new 47xx group strongly hinted it was in Heljans plans. I agree that Heljans time scales have gone though the roof though, this puts them on a bad footing with the loco that both they and Kernow are doing. Cannot wait to order the 47xx, when details become known someday.... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/92766-news-from-warley-2014/?p=1672222 Luke 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6892 Oakhill Grange Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 47xxs' were so nicknamed because they originally were employed on overnight work ,they also appeared post war on Saturadays only holiday traffic to and from west of england , ie,Paignton Kingswear . RK There is picture in Russell showing express lamps captioned to be from 1930s and another I have seen somewhere showing one at Cowley Bridge with a summer express also dated in the 30s. I imagine that these were always popular for summer Saturday's when loads increased and schedules relaxed. Probably as the 30s continued the multiplication of Halls, Granges and particularly Castles would have reduced the use until the 50s explosion of services. I have nothing to support this assertion though. Oakhill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 There is picture in Russell showing express lamps captioned to be from 1930s and another I have seen somewhere showing one at Cowley Bridge with a summer express also dated in the 30s. I imagine that these were always popular for summer Saturday's when loads increased and schedules relaxed. Probably as the 30s continued the multiplication of Halls, Granges and particularly Castles would have reduced the use until the 50s explosion of services. I have nothing to support this assertion though. Oakhill During the 1930's the 47XX engine tasked with the overnight fitted to London, took over the train from Exeter. To get to Exeter the 47xx worked a local train. There are many photographs of a 47XX on local lamps on the seawall section taken on this duty. http://www.knowles-cadbury-brown.co.uk/4709/Media/GalleyTeignmouth.jpg http://www.4709.org.uk/Media/Gallery4707Dawlish.jpg Mike Wiltshire 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 3, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2015 Wish some progress on this could be shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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