Popular Post Mrkirtley800 Posted November 26, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Here are some pics of the area available for the stone sidings, The buildings probably will not be used on this location. The other shots are of Kirkby Malham mark 1, the small branch line layout I hawked around shows in the late 1980's and early 90's. Some of them have been seen on RMW before, so my apologies if they are old hat. All the pics are of the limestone transhipment shed, the quarry being off-scene. It was an attempt to emulate the arrangements at Grassington although there the boiler house was at the quarry site, I believe. I have put them on this thread to indicate what I would like to achieve in that corner, although I fear lack of space may make it an impossibility. The original Kirkby Lime Co was on a board 6' by 15" rather larger area than I have here. I am very much open to ideas. Derek Edited November 26, 2015 by Mrkirtley800 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Some lovely stuff there Derek. Is any of the Lime Burnt at Kirby Limes which could add vans or sheeted wagons for bagged lime. Don 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Don, it was just meant to be a stone loading arrangement. The idea was that the quarry was some distance away and the limestone carried to the rail head by wagons on a continuous 'rope'. As I said before, really modelled on the arrangement at Grassington. There the Skyrethorns quarry was, perhaps, a couple of miles away, and the trans-shipment shed served by wagons on an endless rope. On reaching the shed, the wagons ran up an incline and I believe there was a wedge which lifted the rope off the wagons. They then ran forward to discharge the stone into waiting railway mineral wagons below. I could tell quite a few stories about certain boys - yes me amongst them- stealing rides on the empty tubs on their way back to the quarry. An extremely dangerous practise which would have the modern day health and safety gurus descending in droves, but when you are13 years old, these things don't occur to you. My main regret is that I did not take more notice of the things happening around us, and take piccies with my crude old camera, well my dads actually. Derek 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted November 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2015 Such behaviour was quite normal, I met an old chap on the TalyLlyn his dad had worked on the railway. He with other young lads would ride slate trucks down the incline to Abergernolwyn when work had stopped for the day. Have you visited the site of Threshfield Quarry there are some old bits of trucks and track there? Don 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Don, I haven't been to Threshfield and Grassington for year so, although I have a couple of friends who live in the area. Of course the station area is now under a housing development. Derek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Derek, Those B/W images are very atmospheric - one could be looking at the real thing! Kind regards, Jock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mrkirtley800 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Thank you Jock, the layout went to a fair few shows in it's time with a variety of operators and carried in an old van in which we got into quite a few scrapes. During the colder weather in November, my mojo reduced considerably. My old joints seized up, so modelling tended to take a back seat, although I try to make a habit of going into the layout every day, if only for a few minutes. The doctor could only give me stronger pain killers, which may be OK for some, but make me sleepy. Every time I sit down I nod off. So as a last resort I went to see a physiotherapist friend, who after pulling me about on his couch, decided I had lost a lot of muscle density in my left hip, the most painful one. It would seem that having used a walking stick in my right hand to help me along, I was walking out of kilter. So now I am doing exercises twice a day to restore the muscle and using two sticks. After just over a week of exercises I am beginning to feel better. I may be deluding myself as the physio said it would be a couple of months before I really saw a difference but my enthusiasm has returned. The two sticks are a bit of an incumberance though. On going into the layout room, decided that the board 1, the end of the line containing the buffer stops and a bit of the village, required some work. One of the pics shows it as it was, with the access road to the goods yard up in the air. About 20mm higher. A few bits of strip wood and a piece of ply brought the levels nearly level. One access to the station for passengers is along the side of the buffers, and this has been put in with steps leading to road level and a cobbled pathway to the platform ramp. The squiggles on the board are where a dry stone wall will be built with a gate to allow access to the steps and path to the platform. Nothing painted yet. I have placed a small row of shops (modified Metcalfe kits) plus the Station Inn (may have a change of name yet). The inn was scratch built by one of our club members for the club's Aidensfield Junction layout. That layout is no more and the member concerned is no longer modelling, so I bought it off him and it fits nicely in the space. The tree is one of Olga's productions and is there to hide the fact that the buildings are half relief. I took a piccie along the length to show the kind of formation of the line. It is a bit dark but I think it shows the curvature. Finally I have started building dry stone walls. The bridge at the end of the station area carrying the Skipton road, which was installed some time ago, is now getting the approach road finished. I got some modelling clay - couldn't get Dass - from a local store and sat for an hour one evening making stones, and here we are with the walls in their infancy. This stone wall building will take some time, and really it is only a crude representation of dry stone walling, although it doesn't look too bad from a distance. Derek Edited December 8, 2015 by Mrkirtley800 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Derek, Lovely images as ever, and I happen to think the walls look very realistic, and so well worth the painstaking effort! Good to read that you are getting some professional help with the aches, hope it continues to improve, Kind regards, Jock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2015 Derek just to prove some of us are totally mad I have just been fitting a dcc decoder to this It belongs to one of our members - its has its faults but it is pretty. Technically it has a Digitrax DN136D decoder in the boiler - I have rewheeled the tender and added some proper pickups to get it to run sweetly. So dcc fitting can be done in some of the Midlands' finest. Baz 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2015 Derek just to prove some of us are totally mad I have just been fitting a dcc decoder to this johnson 2-4-0 for Cliff (1280x479).jpg It belongs to one of our members - its has its faults but it is pretty. Technically it has a Digitrax DN136D decoder in the boiler - I have rewheeled the tender and added some proper pickups to get it to run sweetly. So dcc fitting can be done in some of the Midlands' finest. Baz What a beautiful engine! Victorian and Edwardian engines were just special, and this model captures all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Very nice, Barry. Those small Johnson engines are so elegant. My first scratch built Midland loco was a Johnson 2-4-0 1400 class. I was so proud of it until I realised the boiler sloped down from back to front. I gave it away, but determined to do better next time. The next time was my class 3 with the bogie tender and which is still working 56 years later. Derek 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lezz01 Posted December 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2015 Hi there Guys you keep referring to No. 67 as a Johnson but its a Kirtley 800 class in Deeley condition. Originally a Derby built loco, it would probably have started life in green as No.139. One of my favorites alongside the 156's. Although the 2-2-2's also have a romantic "pull". I just love these little midland engines. Keep the MR flag flying guys Regards Lez.Z. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) LezZ, you are dead right, that is a Kirtley designed 800 class. Kirtley died in 1872 leaving the Midland with some reliable and, for the time, powerful engines. The 800 class, like most of Kirtley engines, were built on the lines of a Victorian battleship, -- pretty solid and long lasting, and quite good looking with their tall bell mouthed chimneys and flat plate smokebox doors. When Johnson came along and fitted those engines with his own design of boiler mountings, they became things of elegant beauty. Perhaps this is why they are referred to as Jonson engines. When I became interested in the Midland 1n the 1950's, I bought Hamilton Ellis's book, and there on the frontispiece was a picture of a 800 class on a train of six wheeled clerestories. From that moment on I wanted one. Eventually in about 1970, I acquired a drawing by J.N.Maskelyne, editor of the Model Railway News. The drawing was done to fill a certain size of paper and worked out at something like 8.33mm/foot. Out came the slide rule, and the thing was built. I completed it in about 1972 and off to Coachman Larry for a paint job, and here it is working on Canal Road. If you have seen these pics before, I do apologise. I don't keep a record of what I post on RMW. I also love the Kirtley singles and did intend to build one of the 30 class which, I believe, were the largest of his single drivers. Not having a drawing, I processed a photo to 4mm/foot, and bought the wheels. here it stopped, and I still have the wheels. I often used to build engines from taking measurements from photos, when no drawings were available. My mate back in 1967 desperately wanted a Q6 0-8-0 (he was a NER enthusiast -- takes all sorts!!). Kits for these locos were a long way off, and not having a drawing approached the late Ken Hoole who produced a side on photo which we had processed to 4mm/foot size. The loco was built and I thought looked the part. Sadly my friend died, but his Q6 lives on. Derek Edited April 16, 2016 by Mrkirtley800 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Derek, I think every aspect of both images show an exceptional standard of model engineering, and doubtless it is still running smoothly, which probably can't be said of the ready-to-run locos available at the time. You may have mentioned it before, but is that still Larry's original paintwork? Kind regards, Jock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lezz01 Posted December 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2015 Hi guys. I think the Johnson engines are the prettiest locos of the time, if not of all time. The singles and the 4-4-0's were just about the most beautiful things that ever turned a wheel. Kirtley built purposeful looking locos. Johnson took over when he died and made them all look just drop dead gorgeous and Deeley beefed them up and lost some of the aesthetics in the process. Some of those Kirtley 2-4-0s lasted into the 40's as I'm sure you know. He was clever with it too, just look at the convertible engines he built when the Midland took over the Bristol and Gloucester! Total genius! Regards Lez.Z. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Derek, I think every aspect of both images show an exceptional standard of model engineering, and doubtless it is still running smoothly, which probably can't be said of the ready-to-run locos available at the time. You may have mentioned it before, but is that still Larry's original paintwork? Kind regards, Jock. Yes, Jock, all the locos and carriages that Larry painted are still untouched and just as they were, apart from the dreaded layer of dust. The six wheeled carriages are also Larry's work. Those six wheelers, by the way, are old CCW wooden parts from the 1940's and 50's. They were made up for me by a friend in exchange for me building and re-furbishing locos for him. He was a S&DR modeller and very good too.The two 25' vehicles in the second pic are my work. Painted using rattle cans. The colours match quite well in the flesh, but show big differences in photographs. Strange! Derek Edited December 16, 2015 by Mrkirtley800 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2015 My mate back in 1967 desperately wanted a Q6 0-8-0 (he was a NER enthusiast -- takes all sorts!!). Kits for these locos were a long way off, and not having a drawing approached the late Ken Hoole who produced a side on photo which we had processed to 4mm/foot size. The loco was built and I thought looked the part. Sadly my friend died, but his Q6 lives on. Derek Yes, it lives on sat on my shelf, needs a bit of work doing but solid as a rock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) I remember your friend who modelled the North East Derek. He was with us when our two family's travelled on the K&WVR circa 1972. I recall he queried why I had painted his B1 buffer shanks red instead of black, so I was able to poiint out something he hadn't been aware of. Truth to tell I hadn't either but I always work of photos when doing commission work unless told to do otherwise. Glad the paintwork has stood the test of time. i suppose it should do considering the cellulose was formulated for the motor trade. The crimson lake on your locos was mixed to pattern by J T Keeps. It was very transparent and had to be sprayed on top of a special undercoat that I labelled 'purple stain', which went on top of grey primer. Red Oxide car primer was quite useless for keying to brass and aluminium in those days. Later on ICI mixed the crimson lake for me. It is more opaque and it does not depend on red oxide undercoat, in fact I spray it straight on top of Halfords Acid 8 etch-primer these days. Your revised layout is coming on well and yet it is managing to retain the old look that you created all those years ago. As someone else commented, it has the ambiance of David Jenkinsons later layouts. Edited December 16, 2015 by coachmann 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 Yes, it lives on sat on my shelf, needs a bit of work doing but solid as a rock.Probably the only Midland built Q6, but does it match up with the later kits of these locos.Derek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 I remember your friend who modelled the North East Derek. He was with us when our two family's travelled on the K&WVR circa 1972. I recall he queried why I had painted his B1 buffer shanks red instead of black, so I was able to poiint out something he hadn't been aware of. Truth to tell I hadn't either but I always work of photos when doing commission work unless told to do otherwise. Glad the paintwork has stood the test of time. i suppose it should do considering the cellulose was formulated for the motor trade. The crimson lake on your locos was mixed to pattern by J T Keeps. It was very transparent and had to be sprayed on top of a special undercoat that I labelled 'purple stain', which went on top of grey primer. Red Oxide car primer was quite useless for keying to brass and aluminium in those days. Later on ICI mixed the crimson lake for me. It is more opaque and it does not depend on red oxide undercoat, in fact I spray it straight on top of Halfords Acid 8 etch-primer these days. Your revised layout is coming on well and yet it is managing to retain the old look that you created all those years ago. As someone else commented, it has the ambiance of David Jenkinsons later layouts. Yes Larry, they were the good old days. It wasn't often that Fred was wrong about LNER/ NER Derek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 Isn't it marvellous? Every loco I build later comes out as RTR or a kit. My Kirtley 800 class was eclipsed by a kit, albeit a Jidenco kit shortly after I finished it. My 0-6-0 well tank, scratch built over a lot of years, was seen in kit form, as was the 0-4-4 well tank. I don't need to mention the Deeley Compound or the class M 0-6-0. OK the RTR 2F has a belpaire boiler. Then there was the LNER P2 Cock o the North, built from an etched brass kit, now produced RTR by Hornby. I bought (cheaply) a partially built kit for a GNR large Atlantic, built it and when I got it run in, is one of my best runners, now coming out in RTR form. Do you think someone somewhere is trying to tell me something? Derek 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 RTR Belpaire 3F from Bachmann. RTR 2F? We should be so lucky Derek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 Yes I stand corrected there Larry, but I still can't use one without major surgery, and it would probably be easier to scratch build one. Derek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Morning Derek, There is always something of interest on your thread, I am now more informed about early Midland locos than I have ever been. I thought Larry's post was lovely, demonstrating as it does the long term friendships formed within this hobby. I am astounded by the amount of work you had to do Larry, just to arrive at the correct shade of a given colour! Derek's models stand testament to just how worthwhile the effort was - still looking so good after all this time. The advent of the modern airbrush, and the availability of the 'right' colours might have made the job easier, but I question whether they will stand the test of time like yours! Thanks for sharing this cameo with us mere followers gentlemen, Kind regards, Jock. Edited December 17, 2015 by Jock67B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 RTR Belpaire 3F from Bachmann. RTR 2F? We should be so lucky Derek. I think 00 Works did a 2F. It's not mainstream RTR, but it was RTR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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