The Engine Shed

[Hilux5972]

https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/reborn-usa

Edited November 25, 2022 by Hilux5972

[davidw]

Hope  that new coupling is less obtrusive as the Bachmann V2.....

[Ollie K]

26 minutes ago, davidw said:

Hope  that new coupling is less obtrusive as the Bachmann V2.....

Is it just me, or in the images posted does the tender seem no more closely coupled than either of the previous two drawbar arrangements?
 

I’m all for a tidier connection (so long as it’s not as clumsy as Bachmann’s latest effort) but the supposedly kinematic Hornby one doesn’t seem like much of an improvement in terms of the long jump between footplate and tender. 

Edited November 25, 2022 by OliverBytham

[Hilux5972]

1 hour ago, davidw said:

Hope  that new coupling is less obtrusive as the Bachmann V2.....

I’m more interested in the fact that the headlight on the USA version now lights up. Very pleasing improvement. 

[Hroth]

I'm just getting a teensy weensy bit fed up with the waste of Hornby resources on Flying Scotsman....

 

 

 

[Oldddudders]

42 minutes ago, Hroth said:

I'm just getting a teensy weensy bit fed up with the waste of Hornby resources on Flying Scotsman....

Very prototypical, though........

[Neal Ball]

Is there any point in the “Engine shed” anymore?

 

It used to be informative, with maybe a preview of something coming that occasionally would include a new announcement. But now it’s full of adverts for their on-line web pages “Buy it here” .

 

I have just quickly scrolled through and not read any of it…. As someone said above, they really are flogging Flying Scotsman to death these days.

 

Ho hum!

[Hilux5972]

9 minutes ago, Neal Ball said:

 

As someone said above, they really are flogging Flying Scotsman to death these days.

It’s the 100th anniversary next year. What do you expect? Don’t like it then fine, don’t buy any. 

[Covkid]

2 hours ago, Neal Ball said:

Is there any point in the “Engine shed” anymore?

 

It used to be informative, with maybe a preview of something coming that occasionally would include a new announcement. But now it’s full of adverts for their on-line web pages “Buy it here” .

 

I have just quickly scrolled through and not read any of it…. As someone said above, they really are flogging Flying Scotsman to death these days.

 

Ho hum!

 

I am confused by what the media feeds are for.  I have watched three "Beyond the buffers" programmes and try to catch the "Engine shed" blog, but is there any regularity to either, or has TT:120 knocked them out of kilter ?  

[Hroth]

1 minute ago, Covkid said:

 

I am confused by what the media feeds are for.  I have watched three "Beyond the buffers" programmes and try to catch the "Engine shed" blog, but is there any regularity to either, or has TT:120 knocked them out of kilter ?  

 

The interesting thing is that there has been no mention of TT120 in either the October or November Engine Sheds.  You'd have thought there would have been something!

 

As politicians sometimes say, the Engine Shed is no longer fit for purpose...

 

[The Stationmaster]

39 minutes ago, Covkid said:

 

I am confused by what the media feeds are for.  I have watched three "Beyond the buffers" programmes and try to catch the "Engine shed" blog, but is there any regularity to either, or has TT:120 knocked them out of kilter ?  

The extra million quid a year they're spending on marketing has to produce something - even if not to a regular calendar.

[Wickham Green too]

6 hours ago, Hilux5972 said:

It’s the 100th anniversary next year. ....

It's also a hundred years since the formation of the 'Big Four' - and seventy five years since nationalisation ...... two major dates in the our railway history which all branches of the model trade seem to have been very quiet about - so far.

[Hilux5972]

1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

It's also a hundred years since the formation of the 'Big Four' - and seventy five years since nationalisation ...... two major dates in the our railway history which all branches of the model trade seem to have been very quiet about - so far.

That could change with January’s announcements. I can’t see ALL manufacturers ignoring such an important date in railway history. 

[The Stationmaster]

7 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said:

That could change with January’s announcements. I can’t see ALL manufacturers ignoring such an important date in railway history. 

Hmm, I wonder.  'Flying Scotsman' is a National Collection engine therefore you need their agreement (and probably a commercial licence, at a cost) to produce an image on an item or model of it which you are going to offer for sale.  Hornby are well and truly in on the ground floor for once so presumably the only option available for anybody else is for a scale/gauge which Hornby aren't in/haven't bagged.  Now if Hornby had any sense they would also have bagged it for 0 gauge to do something which would actually do the Bassett Lowke brand name proud;  I wonder if they have?

 

So that is 'Flying Scotsman' more or less ruled out from anyone else.  Next step I suppose is to look at which companies already have tooling which could be tweaked - to a larger or lesser extent - to capture stuff from around the time of the Grouping (assuming you rule out brand new tooling).  So that let's Hornby and Bachmann in  with various things of potentially even more variable public interest or ready marketability but they already me iised out on some of the amalgamations etc under the 1921 Act.

 

Plus there are one or two items frm various concerns which represent things that were running at the time of the grouping but which might not be headline grabbers.   And in any case the wider, non-specialist, market will only know 'Flying Scotsman' out of all that was going on in the 1921-23 period so there is a much smaller market for anything else,  As I said above - Hornby have got it right for once - as long as they can deliver the goods.

[Hilux5972]

4 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

Hmm, I wonder.  'Flying Scotsman' is a National Collection engine therefore you need their agreement (and probably a commercial licence, at a cost) to produce an image on an item or model of it which you are going to offer for sale.  Hornby are well and truly in on the ground floor for once so presumably the only option available for anybody else is for a scale/gauge which Hornby aren't in/haven't bagged.  Now if Hornby had any sense they would also have bagged it for 0 gauge to do something which would actually do the Bassett Lowke brand name proud;  I wonder if they have?

 

So that is 'Flying Scotsman' more or less ruled out from anyone else.  Next step I suppose is to look at which companies already have tooling which could be tweaked - to a larger or lesser extent - to capture stuff from around the time of the Grouping (assuming you rule out brand new tooling).  So that let's Hornby and Bachmann in  with various things of potentially even more variable public interest or ready marketability but they already me iised out on some of the amalgamations etc under the 1921 Act.

 

Plus there are one or two items frm various concerns which represent things that were running at the time of the grouping but which might not be headline grabbers.   And in any case the wider, non-specialist, market will only know 'Flying Scotsman' out of all that was going on in the 1921-23 period so there is a much smaller market for anything else,  As I said above - Hornby have got it right for once - as long as they can deliver the goods.

I was more referring to the grouping reference saying other manufacturers surely wouldn’t ignore this. Scotsman yes Hornby surely have all tied up. Perhaps Dapol with their N Gauge A3

[Ian J.]

I don't think 'Flying Scotsman' is protected from being made by any manufacturer due to being in the national collection*, as its existence beforehand puts it in the public domain, I think. However, selling it as being part of the National Collection*, labelled accordingly, might be so.

 

*note the capitalisations, intended.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Ian J.

[Covkid]

5 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

It's also a hundred years since the formation of the 'Big Four' - and seventy five years since nationalisation ...... two major dates in the our railway history which all branches of the model trade seem to have been very quiet about - so far.

 

The 75th anniversary of BR could spark some interesting projects.  Anyone fancy a nice new black five with BRITSH RAILWAYS on the tender and M5020 on the cabsides ? 

[Wickham Green too]

That's the only sort of thing that would have appeared in the first year 1948 OR 1923 ) existing designs with first attempts at corporate livery ....... plenty of scope for interesting combinations.

[Black 5 Bear]

1 hour ago, Covkid said:

 

The 75th anniversary of BR could spark some interesting projects.  Anyone fancy a nice new black five with BRITSH RAILWAYS on the tender and M5020 on the cabsides ? 

Personally speaking, I like the 1948 transition livery in both BR black and other variations such as SR malachite green.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be a great seller as evidenced by the K1, BR West Country Sir Archibald Sinclair and other model and the HD Merchant Navy Elder Fyffes Line.

[Black 5 Bear]

January edition is up for all who's interested - EP's of the B17/5....

https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/down-range

[cctransuk]

11 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said:

January edition is up for all who's interested - EP's of the B17/5....

https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/down-range

 

EPs?

 

Not digital renders?

 

CJI.

[Black 5 Bear]

33 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

EPs?

 

Not digital renders?

 

CJI.

Early pictures?

[cctransuk]

1 hour ago, Black 5 Bear said:

Early pictures?

 

I very much doubt it!

 

CJI.

[Black 5 Bear]

28 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

I very much doubt it!

 

CJI.

Whatever!

[Hilux5972]

14 hours ago, Black 5 Bear said:

January edition is up for all who's interested - EP's of the B17/5....

https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/down-range

Digital renders, not EP