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  Both photographers own the copyright of their own photographs even if they were standing at the exact same spot using the same digital camera with the same settings and scratched lens ;)

This will be common. It has certainly happened to me. I had quite a double take when I saw the front cover photo of a wagon on Rail Express. Then I looked at the attribution and yes, the photographer was standing alongside me; as we did on hundreds if not thousands of occasions!

 

 

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Facebook.....the bain of Plods life these days!

 

Still, he is on the radar now, so hopefully he will see sense (as will others) and hopefully (yes hopefully) behave appropriately!

 

Please dont let it put you (or HMRSPaul) off posting, your pics are so valuable and useful;, I for one would be lost without them!

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Is it an offence to be on railway property when you are not at work?

 

As a railway employee, bearing in mind there are numerous companies these days, does it give you a right to roam?

 

Does the individual have a pass to access railway ?

 

If they were taken by yourself, are you allowed to take pictures whilst working?

 

 

Just to say that I can vouch for Craig and the other NR person who took photos 'on or about the line'. I was involved in the planning of this special, and on such occasions we often call upon various operations people to assist. it's always useful to have trusted, qualified and experienced people like these two individuals out and about at such times.

 

As many of you will know, I often take photos (from a place of safety) when out and about and post them up as 'The Captain's Travels' (although admittedly not for a little while now, but that's another story).

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That sounds like a solution I use to stop hotlinking, I found a snippet of code which allows you to show the image you want, but turns any hotlink to a link of your choice, I usually hotlink to a porn site, that stops people in their tracks.

You may wish to reconsider that action.

 

As a hotlink is served from your site (the person gives a link to an image on your site redisplaying it on his site and using your bandwidth) you are effectively serving such material through your site. So when there is a knock on your door have a good explanation as to why you are enabling such material to be distributed.

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That sounds like a solution I use to stop hotlinking, I found a snippet of code which allows you to show the image you want, but turns any hotlink to a link of your choice, I usually hotlink to a porn site, that stops people in their tracks.

 

Which begs the question - how did you find the link to the porn site?

 

 

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Mick

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  You may wish to reconsider that action.

 

As a hotlink is served from your site (the person gives a link to an image on your site redisplaying it on his site and using your bandwidth) you are effectively serving such material through your site. So when there is a knock on your door have a good explanation as to why you are enabling such material to be distributed.

 

All of which is true, but by "porn" I mean nothing worse than you would see in a daily newspaper, I would hope that the person hotlinking would not want a picture of a bare breasted lady on their site.

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Which begs the question - how did you find the link to the porn site?

 

 

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Mick

 

Oh come on...!

I only found RMWeb when I accidentally typed "Hornby" into Google instead of "Horny"...

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All of which is true, but by "porn" I mean nothing worse than you would see in a daily newspaper, I would hope that the person hotlinking would not want a picture of a bare breasted lady on their site.

That as well may be, but would you wish your 8 year old to be seeing those images when googling for railway images?* The person hotlinking already has poor moral scruples so probably doesn't care - as far as any investigation is concerned it will be you that has made the action to intervene and serve the images (remember the decision on offensive lies not with you but the person or child's parents being confronted by the images). Better safe than sorry. Serving up a blank white 1px image defeats the hotlinker without treading a course that could bring more trouble to you than the simple satisfaction of vindictiveness.

 

(*) sure I know an 8 year old can probably find much worse with ease, even with so called parental controls and will no doubt see more behind the bike shed at school but ...

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As a professional railwayman I trust Craig to know and be responsible for his actions whether on or off duty.  As one of our better photographers I trust him to be the best judge of which images are his even if others were alongside him and have captured a near-identical image - so similar as to be indistinguishable to the casual observer.

 

For some time now I have had a "fair warning" message included in my signature on this site and more recently have watermarked most images I display here via a third-party host site.  I regard internet piracy as a serious matter and accept grudgingly the reality that it is extremely difficult tom control and even more difficult to obtain cost-effective redress.

 

Thus far I have been, so far as I am aware, lucky in that only one have I found an image of mine being masqueraded as someone else's work as opposed to being "shared" on Facebook which function will always link back to myself as the original poster and by default the copyright owner.  The matter in question was resolved by one short, sharp and to the point email which, having pointed out my rights and demanded a £100 fee paid within seven days failing which the matter would be brought to the attention of higher authority, brought forth a grovelling apology.  The image was (so far as I could tell) removed from the perpetrator's gallery.

 

I am also employed within the rail industry.  That does not confer upon me any rights whatsoever to be inside the fence, to photograph anything whilst on duty nor to wear anything related to work uniform such as hi-viz implying employment or authority when off duty.  In short I am required to abide by the same rules as the general public.  However should I wish, for my own purposes, to take photos whilst off duty but within railway premises I could obtain the required written consent quite readily.  That would only permit me access to public platforms and not to the lineside as my duties and training do not authorise me to be beyond station limits.  Drivers and depot staff, along with safety-qualified trackside staff, can potentially obtain shots not available to others.  I can't do that.  That's life and them's the rules.  Break them at your peril.

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If you own the copyright, what is the problem with putting that fact on the image, or the border? If someone simply links to the image, then your copyright info goes with it. If someone is genuinely interested in using the image (in a paper publication, say) then they will know who to contact as they will need something in the region of 40Mb, not the 400kb size of the web image. If someone copies your image, removes your copyright info, puts on there own copyright info, then that is fraud, and if you wanted to legally sort that out, then you would have a stronger case cf  all they had done was stuck their name on what could be construed as a non copyrighted image.

 

Substituting images (e.g. naked ladies instead of naked locomotives) would at the least imply you owned the copyright to said images.

 

Not images, but just a recent example of the money that can be made by copyright lawyers...  http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/05/white-house-sides-with-oracle-tells-supreme-court-apis-are-copyrightable/  they won't work on a 'no win, no fee' for a 50 quid train photo.

 

fwiw, about 15-20 years ago, a guy down near Plymouth tried to 'steal' one of my web sites, by trying to pass himself off as 'Nominet'. I contacted D&S police headquarters, happened to speak to the right assistant chief inspector. He phoned back a couple of hours later, said I wouldn't get any more problems. He'd sent around a car, lights and siren on full chat, he mentioned the young fraudster most likely needed to change his pants. I don't think the police would respond in that manner these days, but for a few quid a solicitor's letter may do the trick.

 

If you want to show interesting images on the web, then you have to accept others will want to show them too. It didn't happen pre-web days, but it is a fact of life today.

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If you want to show interesting images on the web, then you have to accept others will want to show them too. It didn't happen pre-web days, but it is a fact of life today.

 

It did - I know of several people who would photograph others photographs and then sell them as their own.

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 That as well may be, but would you wish your 8 year old to be seeing those images when googling for railway images?*

 

(*) sure I know an 8 year old can probably find much worse with ease, even with so called parental controls and will no doubt see more behind the bike shed at school but ...

 

Exactly. I remember having a teenage work experience girl to show my work procedures many years ago. This was before the era of smart phones, and the internet was not as sophisticated in porn controls as it is today.

 

She expressed an interest in severe tropical weather, so in a quiet moment I was showing her some of the great photos on foreign websites of lightning strikes and vast cumulonimbus clouds. The first few thumbnails linked to larger versions of the same image, but the next one brought up a naked lady performing a rather lewd act to a naked man. After apologising to her, I thought we had better change websites rather quickly.

 

However, I had to inform my boss of what had happened just in case she mentioned it again, and he had to inform the school and possibly the girls parents, just in case she talked about it after her work experience was over, and someone wanted answers to questions.

 

All this just because someone somewhere thought it might be 'fun' to link porn to an innocent web page.

 

We never heard any more about the incident, so I like to think she was sensible enough not to make a big deal of it.

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Though this too has now gone.

Wonder, since my photo in his gallery was from my gallery on here, and he keeps moving pictures when we mention them, if he has actually been reading this thread?

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Though this too has now gone.

Wonder, since my photo in his gallery was from my gallery on here, and he keeps moving pictures when we mention them, if he has actually been reading this thread?

 

https://www.facebook.com/pages/British-Rail-Class-47/108748309157655

 

I hope facebook itself is not now infringing on you.

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Though this too has now gone.

Wonder, since my photo in his gallery was from my gallery on here, and he keeps moving pictures when we mention them, if he has actually been reading this thread?

 

If he is reading this thread, can I just say...

 

"Hello, you foul-mouthed, immature little twit! :bye: Having briefly visited your Facebook page, congratulations on achieving so many "Likes", especially in the face of your inability to string a coherent sentence together. Congratulations also on managing to include so much bad language in your brain-dead ramblings. Truly impressive. Well done!"

 

And yes, I've spelt "twit" wrong.

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Oh come on...!

I only found RMWeb when I accidentally typed "Hornby" into Google instead of "Horny"...

When I mentioned at work that I'd just bought an airbrush someone appeared to misunderstand what it was that I intended to do by airbrushing models...
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If you take a look at the comments (not for sharing in polite company) on other Photos Craig, it's not an isolated incident. Apparently there have been spectacular low level fly pasts in Ivybridge which seem to have passed me by. It's good that Facebook and Flickr take the issue seriously.

Neil

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