RMweb Premium southern42 Posted April 18, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) Grass? Trivia? They spend £1000s advertising stuff to make it grow - cheer up, sleepy Jean Jeff... Stop monkeying around and get spreading.... Edited April 18, 2013 by southern42 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 18, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2013 Grass? Trivia? They spend £1000s advertising stuff to make it grow - cheer up, sleepy Jean Jeff... Stop monkeying around and get spreading.... Yes, it's going to cost me thousands to cover that fell!! I might convert the Fell into a military firing-range - more mud, less grass!! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted April 18, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2013 We could have another debate on whether to do the walls next or the grass. I dunno if you say nowt questions get asked where are you all and if you say anything people think you might be being critical. It is a hard life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium southern42 Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 Since you'd need to dig a trench, presumably, to put the foundation stones down for the walls, I guess the grass/other vegetation along the walls would (re)grow after. And then, again, field use/crop rotation would have rung in the changes from time to time so the walls would probably have been there long before today's 'grass' - possibly/probably? Sometimes I think I talk rot - undoubtedly due to decaying grey matter....not getting any younger.... :jester: Pollycell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) You could cover it in soil and grow cress on it. Couple of weeks and hey presto, instant grass! Plus, get peckish and you have an instant low calorie snack. Courtesy of RMViz Top Tips Edited April 19, 2013 by Sandside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 Going back to the bridge, it's interesting to see the bridge at Gargrave. I would say that that design of arch is one of the most preverlent types. With the arch springing lower I would have thought that the forces on the wings (and the backfill behind the wings) is much lower that if the arch sprung higher up, with quite a lot more vertical loading of the stonework under the springers. The fact that it is also a very graceful shape is a secondary feature I'm sure! Andy G (luney arch spotter) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 You could cover it in soil and grow cress on it. Couple of weeks and hey presto, instant grass! Plus, get peckish and you have an instant low calorie snack. Courtesy of RMViz Top Tips Your suggestion would probably work, providing that I left a light on and sprayed the soil with a water-mister every now and then. I'm also partial to cress! In addition, grass would tend to grow in just the right places as the soil would tend to landslip off the steeper bits. Very tempting.... No, don't think so! Thanks anyway.... I suspect you were deadly serious! :D :D Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 Going back to the bridge, it's interesting to see the bridge at Gargrave. I would say that that design of arch is one of the most preverlent types. With the arch springing lower I would have thought that the forces on the wings (and the backfill behind the wings) is much lower that if the arch sprung higher up, with quite a lot more vertical loading of the stonework under the springers. The fact that it is also a very graceful shape is a secondary feature I'm sure! Andy G (luney arch spotter) I'll take your word for it, Andy - but you could well be correct. Anyway, for the purposes of KL, as long as what I build looks approximately right, then I'm happy. Bit surprised Scott hasn't chipped in, as he's a Civil Engineer. Maybe they don't build such things in Australia! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 Since you'd need to dig a trench, presumably, to put the foundation stones down for the walls, I guess the grass/other vegetation along the walls would (re)grow after. And then, again, field use/crop rotation would have rung in the changes from time to time so the walls would probably have been there long before today's 'grass' - possibly/probably? Sometimes I think I talk rot - undoubtedly due to decaying grey matter....not getting any younger.... :jester: Pollycell Don't worry Polly. We're all getting older at the same rate of one second per second and there's nothing we can do about it! Almost everybody who has seen KL "in the flesh" has said I'm insane, so welcome to the club! And btw.... if I'm NOT insane now, I WILL be when all the walling has been built!! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2013 Too much sanity seems very dull let a bit of insanity in and oportunity beckons. Too much insanity and you lose the plot. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) Morning Jeff, Good to see that the bridge is making steady progress and no doubt will be finished before I next return to RMweb. I'll have a SWMBO from tomorrow, so will be away to Northumberland for a week and as I don't have a lap top 'puter or one of those fancy eye phone thingies, I will not be able to keep in touch. Looking forward to leafing through all the railway books at Barter Books in Alnwick's old railway station though. Edited April 19, 2013 by Rowsley17D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 Morning Jeff, Good to see that the bridge is making steady progress and no doubt will be finished before I next return to RMweb. I'll have a SWMBO from tomorrow, so will be away to Northumberland for a week and as I don't have a lap top 'puter or one of those fancy eye phone thingies, I will not be able to keep in touch. Looking forward to leafing through all the railway books at Barter Books in Alnwick's old railway station though. Jonathan, I knew it was imminent so - CONGRATULATIONS - and all the best to both of you. The weather is going to be lovely, so I hope you have a great day - and week. I know your SWMBO is a rail fan, but wise move with the laptop - give HER all the attention, not the railway!! Cheers, Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 Congratulations Jonathan, have a fantastic day, week, life together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2013 Thanks, gentlemen. We are staying at the Waiting Rooms, a conversion of the old railway station on the ECML at Warkworth. Hope to go to Edinburgh from Alnmouth and will treat ourselves to first class. There's a nice model railway shop on Leith Walk.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Morning Jeff, Good to see that the bridge is making steady progress and no doubt will be finished before I next return to RMweb. I'll have a SWMBO from tomorrow, so will be away to Northumberland for a week and as I don't have a lap top 'puter or one of those fancy eye phone thingies, I will not be able to keep in touch. Looking forward to leafing through all the railway books at Barter Books in Alnwick's old railway station though. Congrats Jonathan and all the best for the future. Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I've been doing some of the really fiddly tasks on the bridge fascias. The photos show the filler work needed to provide some kind of decent transition between the Slaters dressed stone (effectively corrugated plastic sheet) on different faces (at 90 degrees) of the pillars. The filler was applied "carefully" and left to set for 6 hours. This is the kind of mess you get... After an hour of rubbing down and scraping - I use 220 grade sandpaper, the sections have melted into one another so the transition looks reasonable when painted (which I clearly haven't done yet!!)... I'm sure there are people who are more skilled than me, but I'm quite happy with the result. I'll do the other face later this evening. Jeff Edited April 19, 2013 by Physicsman 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 Main Index updated to today. Please report any errors you find... Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingmoorkid Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I've been doing some of the really fiddly tasks on the bridge fascias. The photos show the filler work needed to provide some kind of decent transition between the Slaters dressed stone (effectively corrugated plastic sheet) on different faces (at 90 degrees) of the pillars. The filler was applied "carefully" and left to set for 6 hours. This is the kind of mess you get... 100_2988.JPG After an hour of rubbing down and scraping - I use 220 grade sandpaper, the sections have melted into one another so the transition looks reasonable when painted (which I clearly haven't done yet!!)... 100_2986.JPG I'm sure there are people who are more skilled than me, but I'm quite happy with the result. I'll do the other face later this evening. Jeff Jeff Think it looks great - I'm posting another Gargrave bridge pic (took these weeks ago while waiting for some steam engine working that never turned up) you might not spot it but on each of the stones there is an indentation in the middle where the masons lifted it into position - if you want the ultimate in accuracy....... Still love the fantastic colouring though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 Thanks for the pic, Simon. I've just indexed the previous one! It occurred to me that I've probably travelled under that bridge on dozens of occasions, when using the Leeds-Morecambe line. Haven't been that way for over 20 years, but it was a common journey when I was a student in Leeds. The DMUs were just about as "weathered" as your bridge - if not quite as old!! Cheers, Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 It is one of those quirks of modelling that if you were to copy the weathering in that photo, unless you could present it as evidence, nobody would believe it on a model. Talking of weathering, did you see the amended Cravens DMU with the muck taken off the sides Jeff? I know you commented on the filth, just wondered what you thought of it cleaned up? To be honest, without seeing the photos of the real thing, I wouldn't have believed that something with such dirty underframes could look so glossy up top! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingmoorkid Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 It is one of those quirks of modelling that if you were to copy the weathering in that photo, unless you could present it as evidence, nobody would believe it on a model. Talking of weathering, did you see the amended Cravens DMU with the muck taken off the sides Jeff? I know you commented on the filth, just wondered what you thought of it cleaned up? To be honest, without seeing the photos of the real thing, I wouldn't have believed that something with such dirty underframes could look so glossy up top! OK I'll admit to be a Bacupster as well - from chimney pots to Black Fives, quite inspirational. The Craven DMU looks great now. KK 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted April 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2013 It is one of those quirks of modelling that if you were to copy the weathering in that photo, unless you could present it as evidence, nobody would believe it on a model. Talking of weathering, did you see the amended Cravens DMU with the muck taken off the sides Jeff? I know you commented on the filth, just wondered what you thought of it cleaned up? To be honest, without seeing the photos of the real thing, I wouldn't have believed that something with such dirty underframes could look so glossy up top! Yes, I've kept an eye on it after Larry's comments and your guru (Tim) encouraging you. I guess the upper parts of the vehicle were kept relatively clean via washing and maintenance, compared to the inaccessible underframes. I was happy with your original rendition, but the cleaner top - supposedly the way they were - looks just as good! Btw, I'll simply apply acrylics - browns, greys and a bit of black - when I paint the bridges. As long as they look suitably grotty, I'll be happy! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) I so agree about weathering! Anything is possible. Even an A1 on the S&C ! With King's Cross shedplate.... well, A1s did run Leeds to Carlisle in '63-'65... even to Glasgow via the GSWR line, according to my RCTS book 2A Locomotives of the LNER A1-A10 Pacifics p200-202.. Cheers, Rob, who couldn't find an excuse to put pics of the Hornby 72XX 2-8-2T in the Lunester world... Edited April 20, 2013 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted April 20, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 20, 2013 Weathering also occured during the pre-grouping era, on locos! Was flicking through one of my HR books this morning, and noticed a photo of a HR loco showing how the tablet exchange worked, and you can see the top of the boiler has burnt paint, and there is rust in the angle between the footplate and tank body on the tender. Who said that locos were pristeen in them days??? The DMUs did get filthy, often the only glossy bits under the floor were the patches of oil and diesel that leaked from engines and fuel tank fillers! Go to the railcar site (on the web archive) and look through the pictures on there. The DMUS were all filthy! Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) Talking of weathering I have just done a GUV and this is from a photo I found in an old mag Bodged it again Edit, it is an old Lima one. Edited April 20, 2013 by Andrew P 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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