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Similar to the Layout links thread, please add any links to workbench topics or blogs that have a Southern / BR(s) theme. As with layouts it make sense for workbench blogs, kit building / scratch built topics to remain in their relevent section on the forum and this thread to compile a list of interesting links. My own, 4mm, needing updating, workbench blog to kick things off can be found here. Kris's 2mm workbench thread can be found here Burgundy's EM build of a Billington E3 here and a couple of Terrier related R-T-R improvements here and here DLT's Southern Locos workbench thread can be found here GeorgeT's Scratchbuild in 7mm of Bulleid Pacific 229 Squadron Colin Parks Scratchbuild of a 2Hal in 4mm Pete_mcfarlane's SER station 2011 challenge thread also his workbench thread including SECR rolling stock is here DIW's thread on a Southern Pride 4REP kit can be found here and his thread on building a Finecast T9 can be found here Peter Cross (N15class) 1930's exLSWR workbench blog here and scractbuild of LSWR Pull Push Brake third driver here and third tailer here in plasticard here all in 7mm scale

As the topic title and description says really. A place to add links (either to threads or blogs) to Southern / BR(s) related layouts here on the forum. In due course I will try and add links to other layouts that I can find. I will kick it off to a link to my blog on Fisherton Sarum. 4mm Fisherton Sarum is a Southern Railway shed set between 1946 and 1949 using Salisbury as its inspiration. Frankland - N gauge - Southern Boy Set in suburban South London 1924 - 1939 South West by Southern - 4mm - Peter Bedding a "might-have-been". The location is a terminus off an extension of the "Corkscrew", using Dorchester and Yeovil Town as examples of termini that got left behind. set pre 1948 Torrington - 4mm - Darren01 Based on the actual location set in 1950's Padstow - 4mm - Autocoach Based on the actual location set pre 1948 Readstoke - 4mm - dwhite4dcc work in progress set in 1950s Treneglos - 4mm - 2manyspams Withered Arm reaches of the ACE set in 1950's Banstaple Junction - 4mm EM - dessire_luvals Based on the actual location South Pimlico - 4mm - Colin South London set in 1960's Tarring Neville - 4mm- dseagull BR(s) Lewes to Newhaven line set 1976-9 Newhaven Harbour - 4mm - Colin Parks Loosely based on Newhaven Harbour, Some parts of the layout are of actual locations,but not necessarily in the right order! set c1974 Meeth Halt - 4mm - binesrail Based on actual location in 4ft! Brighton East - 4mm EM - Kipford Loosely based on Kemp Town set 1998-2000 Coleborne Junction - 4mm - pitbull1845 Main Line action set 1950-60's Balcombe - 4mm P4 - 10800 Starting with Ouse Viaduct, then linking to Balcombe, then Lewes, then Eridge ...set 1950's - early 1960's Eridge 4mm P4 - 10800 Based on actual location set 1950's - early 1960's Ampton - 4mm - Red Fox Based on Southampton Central in regards to track plan and lay of the land but the buildings are more 21st century - set in two time frames, 2004-2006-ish and now. Calshot (4mm, with OO & 009) - SouthernRegionSteam Based upon the RAF base at Calshot (Southampton waterside area) but with a bit of modellers license to allow for an extension from the Fawley Branch! Set loosely around the 1950s. Harpford - 4mm 00 - jonte Ex LSWR in Hamshire towards the end of steam Horsted Keynes in Preservation - 4mm 00 - Bluebell Model Railway Based on Horsted Keynes on the Bluebell Railway as it is preserved today Gough's Yard - 7mm - Jack An 0 Gauge module with an SECR flavour Carrick Road - 4mm - BlackRat West Country withered arm set in the 1960's Fordingbridge - 4mm 00 - Bill Jones Salisbury and Dorset Junction railway set in 1950's Old Road - Hampshire Byway - 4mm 00 - SouthernRegionSteam Based on the S&DJR and the Old Road, Hampshire, 1950s - 1960s. Elham Valley Railway - Lyming Station - 4mm 00 - Howardb Howards model of the SECR Lyming Station set in the 1920's Westerham Station - 4mm 00 - Westerhamstation A model of Westerham Station set in the 1950/60s Tolmouth - 4mm 00 - JZ An ex GW now SR seaside terminous set in the 1960's Bournemouth Central - 4mm 00 - updated by Cepic An impressive scale model of Bournemouth Central and its approaches by the Bournemouth Central Model Railway Group Calchester and Emshurst - 4mm 00 - FiveandNine Where SER and LBSC met set I believe in the 1950/60s Perry Street - 7mm - Cromptonnut BR(s) 1982ish based on Chard Bromley North - 4mm 00 - BR(S) Network South East in South East London set mid to late 1980s Bishops park - 4mm 00 - Matloughe BR(s) suburban terminus set in 1960's Torr Gifford - 4mm P4 - Torr Gifford LSWR 1951-71 ex LSWR in North Devon set 1951-71 Appledore - 4mm 00 - Roundhouse North Devon set in the 1960s Seaton - 4mm P4 - Tender A south west terminus based on Seaton in Southern days Fulking Road Halt - 4mm 00 - Nest An imaginary branch off the Shoreham-Horsham line at Steyning. Dover Priory, Dover Town Yard & Dover Marine - 4mm 00 - Ferriesdover Dover set in the 80's Poole Station- 4mm 00 - AngryMeerkat Poole station c/w 3rd rail set BR Blue 70's to present day Minster on Fosse - 4mm 00 - Peter Bedding a "might-have-been". The location is a terminus off an extension of the "Corkscrew", using Dorchester and Yeovil Town as examples of termini that got left behind. set pre 1948. Peter's 'South West by Southern' plans consolidated Star Lane, Hooley - 4mm 00 - Mike (friend of Roundhouse) A representation of the real location at Hooley, between Cousldon and Redhill where the ex LBSCR Brighton mainline crosses over the ex SER line via Redhill. It will be modelled as it was in the sixties. Beer and Branscombe - 4mm 00 - Gwiwer The "what if" scenario extends the Seaton branch by a mile or so to Beer with a single track extension cut through massive hills to link it with Seaton and Exmouth upon which Branscombe is a mid-point. Somewhere in East Dorset - 2mm N Gauge - Dorsetmike 1930's Southern in East Dorset. Lulworth Castle - 4mm 00 - PaulRhB A Purbeck terminus set in the 1950's Cliddesden - 4mm EM - bodmin16 Cliddesden on the Basingstoke and Alton line is the inspiration for this layout set in the 1950/60's assuming the line was upgraded from light rial construction after WW1 Kelly Bray - 7mm - PD&SWJR Paul's delightful 7mm Callington inspired layout. His rolling stock thread is here Bardown Road - 4mm 00 - Wellsy BR(s) set “somewhere in the Sussex weald”, close to the sea. Whitecroft Lane - 4mm 00 - 80104 Productions Set in the 1960's, and based on the southern region, this is a small shunting yard loosely based on some sidings at Poole station. Meopham East Junction - 4mm 00 - Judge Dread Southern Region third rail set in 1960's Dunestone - 2mm N - Talisman56 A port/holiday resort 'somewhere on the south coast between Weymouth and Dover Pencarrow Bridge - 7mm 0 - 2ManySpams The terminus of a low grade LSWR branchline that is signalled (think Bodmin North to Boscarne Jct) Westhaven - 4mm 00 - derekchilds A might have been, leaving the Southern mainline west of Crewkerne set 1959- 1963 Branchline to Swanhurst - 4mm 00 - clarkeeboy56 Inspired by Hawkhurst this is a might have been extension to the line Sandhurst - 4mm 00 - Nest Southern Railway in deepest Kent Bembridge IoW - 4mm 00 - Bike2steam Paul's thread looking back at his previous layout of Bembridge in the Isle of Wight built over 20 years ago Croydon North Street - 4mm 00 - Pete 75C Southern Region 3rd rail in the 1970's, 80's & 90's Mid Cornwall Lines - 4mm - 00 - St Enodoc Although predominantly WR, there will be some Southern Region action along a fictitious connection from Grogley Junction, set in the 1950's Medway Valley - 4mm - 00 - jburgt It represents Wateringbury Railway Station, the Stone Lock Railway Bridge and Beltring & Branbridges Halt, at the Medway Valley Line (period 1945 - 1960) being built by Jburgt in the Netherlands West Croydon - 4mm - Pete 75C 80s/90s Network South East following on from his Croydon North Street Saltdean - 7mm - Kirtleypete O Gauge LBSCR pre grouping splendour 1885 to 1890's Compton Goods - 4mm - Mightbe Late 1960's goods facility nr Shawford Aylestone West - 4mm - Shanks522 Southern Region 3rd rail Network South East 1980's Ruby Road - 4mm - ess1uk Fictitious South West location (SR/WR) set around 1987 West Sands - 4mm - Geep7 A 'what might have been' Southern Region branch line terminus, with 3rd rail set roughly around 1970 Wartime Sussex 1943ish - 4mm - GreenGiraffe22 Title says it all really.. Meopham - 4mm - SRlouis A depiction of Meopham station in Kent set between 1937 and 1948 Churminster and Stowe Magna - 4mm - slowcomo A large Southern freelance project set just pre WW2 to nationalisation Canute Road Quay - 4mm - Graham_Muz A small 4ft x 1ft dockside timesaver shunting puzzle set somewhere around Southampton - 1946 onwards Oak Hill - 4mm - Bluelightning Oak Hill is a fictional layout set on the eastern border of LBSCR territory with the SECR having running rights over the line. It is set in the earliest years of the 20th century. Hailsham - 4mm - Bluelightning A representation of Hailsham pre Grouping LBSC layout set in the pre-WW1 period Robertsfield - 2mm N - Robertsfield Southern Region - South West division, layout, based in the steam to diesel/electric transition period. Up The Junction - 4mm - PatermosterRow South London inspired micro layout Sheep Chronicals Mutton - 4mm - NHY581 Mutton. An intermediate station on the Lamb Regis branch, circa 1955-1962 Basingstoke - 4mm - 71000 Basingstoke set 1958 to 1967 Canterbury Road (Mk2) - 4mm - Fishplate SR in Kent Tillingham - 4mm - Huggy Small space BR(s) Waddlemarsh - 4mm - Gwiwer Somewhere southwest of London sometime before today Titherliegh - 4mm - Claude_Dreyfus ((Liphook & District MRC) Early BR southern region Devonshire. Bleat Wharf - 4mm - NHY 581 Ex-L&SWR goods yard somewhere in Devon Ladycross - 4mm - Middlesea John (Hull MRS) New Forest steam Summer 1962 Bermondsey (Canal Road) - 4mm - sem34090 1940s South London Cadhay Sidings - P4 - CDGfife Sidmouth Branch set 1930s Bosnport - 2mm 'N' - JimSan South Coast Sidmouth - 4mm P4 - 10sidmouth An exquisite recreation of Sidmouth in BR(s) days Vintners' Yard - EM - Burgundy Small space pre-grouping LBSC Hurstmonceux -EM - Burgundy More pre-grouping LBSC Splendor set 1875ish Charlton Bridge - 4mm- ikcdab 1960's SW mainline (in a shed to die for!) Blackmoor (Gate) - 009 - Roundhouse Lynton and Barnstaple set 1930s Beaminster Road - 00 - Jack Benson A South Western located Southern Region wayside station set in the early 1950s Farleigh - 00 - Col.Stephens 1930s Southern Railway branch line terminus Basingstoke Shed 70D - 00 - 30368 Basingstoke Steam shed as in the 1950s and 60's to replicate the passing of time. Feel free to add links to your or other layouts to this thread and I will update this OP accordingly

And thanks to you for setting up the Group Andy. By the way if you have been looking up EPB numbers it is worth noting that on the blue version the numbers are correct for the unit but on the wrong coaches!

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Thanks, see you Sunday

Hi Peter Many thanks for your comment just for you here are a couple more...

As part of the RMweb SWAGLand meet at Taunton this coming Sunday (17/04) there will be a table top display of a variety of Bulleid locomotives and Roilling stock. Also on show will be a recently nearly finished Southern Cinema coach and also the elusive Bulleid ‘Inspection Saloon’ or sleeper coach 100s along with other Bulleid rolling stock. Bullied pacific’s will present in force displaying a range of conditions that the engines could be found in during the 1946 to 1949 period. The display will include a number of original style Merchant Navy Pacifics as well as a variety of Light Pacifics. Below is just a couple of tasters of what will be on display. The Leader was probably one of Bulleid’s most controversial creations, my model built from a number of components sourced from Golden Arrow Productiosn will also be on show. The Southern Railway, in 1938 utilised an underframe from a fire damaged ‘Thanet’ stock composite No5337, for conversion to a cimema coach. It emerged from Lancing in Novemeber 1939 and could seat 60 persons for initially wartime staff instructional films and subsequently mutual improvement classes. Numbered 1308s it was paired to a generator van, no 1309s, converted from an ex LSWR 24’ passenger luggage van. Officially designated an inspection saloon 100s. built in 1946, was in fact a sleeper coach with 11 beds longitudinally placed within individual compartments. There was a central corridor, an attendants room and a shower room. Each compartment also contained a wash basin and even a trouser press! Although it was built to Bulleid’s standard 64’6†coach length and body profile the construction of the body was entirely plywood and formed a bit like an upside down boat hull. Even the bogies were unique to this coach mounted on radial pads which was said to give a very smooth ride. Whilst Bulleid remained as CME the coach running paired to its own generator van 97s converted from an ex SECR utility van in 1947 and was also often run along with dining firsts and a saloon brake. In addition to the above a number of other kit built Bulleid coaches will be on display. I look forward to seeing as many of your there as possible in Taunton on Sunday.

That's good to hear, I shall be there myself in 2013 either with Fisherton Sarum or my club's Hinton Parva depending on which layout he can fit in either 2013 or 14

I did fix them to the front steps knowing that it fixes the chassis to the body however doing the exhibtion circuit with Fisherton Sarum I was finding that I was knocking off the front steps more often than I needed to get the body off. When I do I will carfully separate the front steps from the buffer as it is only a couple of small points of contact. I have fitted them to all 10 of my Light Pacifics now.

Hi Tim I think Al must be thinking of your SWAG Taunton do last year when I was there with Fisherton Sarum, as I have not been to the Camrail shows yet.

Since the introduction by Hornby of the Bullied 'West Country / Battle of Britain' Light Pacifics I have always been meaning to get round to either making or sourcing a representation of the cyclinder drain pipework. Later Hornby models such as the N15 and Rebuiilt Light Pacific's have these supplied as part of the accessory kit but none of these are suitable for the original style Light Pacifics. As can be seen below there is quite an obvious gap at the fornt end without the pipes fitted when compared to the image on the Semg website here I had been either looking at commissioning an etch myself or convincing a small manufacturer of detailing parts to add them to their range. I then stumbled quite by accident on the RT Models website run by Robert Thompson (RThompson of this parish) and he has a simple little etch for the drain pipes for a couple of quid each. I have therefore purchased a few and fitted to my fleet of Light Pacifics and also one of my original Merchant Navy Pacifics. They also have the added advantage of providing extra strength to the front step, that can be prone to being knocked off, by gluing the drain pipes to the rear of the steps.

Just to show how effective the West County . Battle of Britain etches from Robert are hereis a picture taken at the weekend on my layout Fisherton Sarum. perhaps a further devolpment for these might be to do a combined drain pipe / front step etch to strenthen the front steps too as these can be very to knock off.

Nice work indeed Brian, the Roxey mouldings detailing kit certainly makes a difference. It is such a shame that Tri-ang decided to mould the plank lines raised instead of as grooves. I did one of these a while ago (and have a couple more to do) Technically these are neither Utility vans or just PMVs. In Southern days they were classed as GBL (Gangwayed Bogie Luggage van) and later classed as Cor-PMV

hehe Chris...but how many could you fit in a cauldron??? B)

I recently purchased a number of RT's simple little etches for Hornby air smoothed WC/BB cylinder drain cocks and have fitted them to my fleet, which also by attaching them to the front steps as well as the cylinders has the advantage of making the front steps less likey to be knocked off the model. I would also say that the service was great taking only two days from ordering to arriving in the post. I don't currently have any pictures on the Hornby models yet, but have a shot of them fitted to one of my Kit built Merchant Navy's.

Opps duly corrrected.

I can not reccomend the Illustrated History of the North Cornwall Railway (especially as my name is in the credits..) Chris's (2manyspams on here) section should definately assist you. As well as the Gould book on Maunsell coaches mentioned above his similar book on Bulleid coaches is also well worth being on your book shelf. I also confess that Mike King's tome has now become one of my first ports of call for information then backed up by the Gould titles.

Hi DesA THank you for you kind comment. I THink I know who you are...

Bulleid Merchant Navy pacific 21C6 will be seen hauling the Atlantic Coast Express on Fisherton Sarum at Ab-Rail 2011 on the 5th March. Further details about the show can be found here. In December 1941 Merchant Navy class locomotive number 21C6 was rolled out of Eastleigh Works, later to be named Peninsular & Oriental S. N. Co. after the famous shipping line. 21C6 was unique amongst the Southern Railway Merchant Navy pacific’s in that she spent her entire working life allocated solely to one shed namely Salisbury shed. She was also unusually paired with the same tender throughout too.It was therefore an easy choice of a model to be resident on Fisherton Sarum being based of course on Salisbury shed and also I am a member of the 35006 Locomotive Society (see below). The model built from an old Millholme Kit and using a few additional castings by the late Albert Goodall, represents here during the period that I model i.e. 1946 to 1949, still with original style cab, standard smoke deflectors and all other fairings in place. 21C6 being one of the first series MN’s had the sweep to the cab front, distinctive curved fairings in front of the cylinders and the side casing made from limpet board, hence the prominent rib horizontally along the middle of the side. She is paired with an original style 5000 gallon tender. Later series builds such as my example of 21C14 (a second series build 21C11-20) had a slightly higher bottom body side edge and was more angular exposing more of the driving wheels and was coupled to a revised 5100 gallon tender. 21C14 can also be seen in action on Fisherton Sarum at Ab-rail hauling my devon Belle Rake along with 34011 in the experimental British Railways apple green livery that she wore between May 1948 and September 1950. Picture curtesy of C Nevard and Hornby Magazine The third series 35021-35030 had the modified V shaped cab from new, were even more angular in the bodyside around the driving wheels and were paired with a 6000 gallon tender. 35021 is currently still on my workbench. Back to 21C6, she has been finished using Railmatch post war malachite green, lining and decals from the HMRS and nameplates from Fox Transfers. I have also fitted a Fox Transfers Atlantic Coast Express headboard for good measure. After Nationalisation in 1948 the real 21C6 was renumbered as 35006. All examples of the Merchant Navy class were rebuilt along more conventional lines, with 35006 and 35028 Clan Line being the last two examples to be modified in 1959. In August 1964 it was all over; due for a heavy general overhaul, 35006 was withdrawn and at first cannibalised for spare parts before her sale to Woodham Bros scrap yard at Barry in South Wales Thankfully she now is undergoing restoration to full working order by the The 35006 Locomotive Company Ltd based at Toddington, the principal station of the Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway. The company is supported by the 35006 Locomotive Society which has approximately 330 members. Hopefully the next 12 months or so should see her extremely close to completion. Society membership costs £12 per year (at the time or writing) and society members receive an excellent quarterly newsletter, which includes a full and detailed report on the progress of the restoration work. If you would like more details of the project, please write to: 35006 Locomotive Society 243 Botley Road Burridge, Hampshire SO31 1BJ Or email the membership secretary Pete Mason Further details can also be found on the Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway website.

Hmm don't tempt me....so not being up on such things were they in unlined or lined black with LMS lettering for the post war war period? Not that I think any ever ventured up from Templecombe as far as Salisbury!