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I noticed a Triang Newsletter in MRC last evening (when looking for Meat vans) sometime around 1961. Anyway it discusses the Trestrol in detail, mentioning the prototype dimensions and that the trestles were grey, despite the photograph of the model being as we all know it - sans trestles! Paul

With the wheel so close to the headstock I would suggest it is one of the 8 GLASS MD. That was how they were used in these sets. Adrian - wonderful table. Sorry, I don't have original numbers for the converted wagons in the B909xxx series. Others, don't overlook that the BR diagrams give the original diagram numbers. B909651 had GWR bogies 909603 & 605 909655 had LNER axle boxes 909606 & 909657 had BRS axle boxes Paul

Largely unrebuilt, 1978 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e28cd6868 Replated 1978 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e2455ecdc I don't believe any effort was made to vacuum brake the clasp brake ones built without VB - it was the Morton brake that was used for VB later on - having learnt their lesson that clasp brake and end door unloading (which required the axle to be grasped) didn't mix. Paul

That isn't a 16 ton mineral. A nice photo of 26 or 27ton iron ore tippler , as in the later part of this collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bscotippler Nice photo of it with the TOPS fleet number. Paul

Really nice comparison of BR standard Grey! Paul

That is not a 16 ton mineral, it is a 13tonner. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/steelmineral Paul Ps and don't overlook there were Private trader steel 16ton minerals.

Duplicates a topic already going and in which the same is said. Paul

David Thanks, very nice photos, interesting to see the crane in action. Although NER it looks as if they may have been maintained on the WR so the GWR brake van. Or simply the revenue railway got shot of all of the GWR brake vans quite early on, and they tended to be used by the engineers quite generally. In later years, plenty on my website well off of the WR. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrbrakevan Paul Paul Bartlett

Post 1463 - that 2nd photo has resolved a query I had, what was this wagon for http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internaluser/e3a595fcb see the one next to the loco. Paul

I wonder if this http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtwinjibcrane/e1da1edfc is that rail laying crane? I can partially make out 480 on the brake van??? Can you read the number on the original? Paul

Away from the Black Country, Clyde Cement used blast furnace slag to make cement http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/clydecementpba http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/clydecementpda Paul

A couple of nice LMS Iron Ore hoppers, converted with a roof and top hatches for Cardiff Slag Reduction here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/alliedsteelwire/edbf91d1 and http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/alliedsteelwire/e17746725 Paul

Yes looks about right on my photos Paul

Going a little OT, but I noticed in tiny writing on Palmolive kitchen hand wash "avoid contact with marble, limestone and stainless steel". Ridiculous as these are the main components of modern kitchen sinks! What could be in it?! Paul Bartlett

Adrian - Lovely photos. Poole one of the few yards I was refused entry to, and I only ever saw the CBs in Whitemoor, very closed in and on poor days. They all worked from Lenwade, as you say a right motley collection, the 3 axle bogies were very crudely cut from earlier wagons and unfortunately were renumbered - I expect others know the origin of each one. No need to give lots of info, the diagrams are in the Specially constructed diagram book on the Barrowmoremrg site - see 2/800 - 05. All the running numbers are given. Paul Bartlett

After being at the Club last night, caught Prog at the BBC on BBC 4. Perhaps available via iPlayer? Lovely to see it opening with 'Nice'. We danced their entire set at Essex Uni - couldn't do that now, even with a newly installed set of replacement heart arteries! Paul

The "MA collective" made it clear via Prog Rock that Anne Marie was unavailable for the current tour because of her working for her own band - Panic Room. Personally I had hoped, as Angie's child is now growing up, she might come back - I know it is not going to happen but one can only dream. The band always moves on. Paul

Going OT Plenty of pictures of 24 1/2t here,http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralmeo, Many have the yellow triangle (the odd one is black) In contrast the N suffix of the number seems quite rare http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralmeo/e1e705c9 (21ton wagons had a K to distinguish them) Including non doors http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralmeo/e1332f801 - which appears to have been quite an early conversion. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralmeo/e1b2129e9 and others lost the top doors http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralmeo/e1f838028 (nicely shows refurbished doors as well) Sometimes they received unusual doors as replacements - rivetted http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralmeo/e416193f and I do have a Tony Dyer photo of one with pressed side doors. The lettering for "Summers" here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralmeo/ed362e86 Paul

Dear Chris Simply to add my congratulations. It has been a long long time since Staines MRC. Happy memories 'doing' Savernake on a railway strike day - we roamed freely, although I took few photos http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brwr/e52beea38 A couple of visits to Feltham Yard http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brsr/e52baa3c2 and finally pulling down the building at the Egham race track that was rebuilt as the Egham and Staines MRC club house. It was the experiences you related of early IA MRC days that encouraged me to do photography of the unusual - wagons and lineside - and in colour. And of course, when the group of us started publishing the wagon articles in MRC, we were permitted one, or sometimes two, colour plates. Incredible now that colour publishing is so easy that it can be used throughout books and magazines. All the best, I can understand your reluctance to retire, but believe me it has some advantages. Paul

There was something magical about Longbridge, an amazing place, so antiquated and with the MR box in the middle. I hope you don't mind, my Longbridge photos are http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bllongbridge and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/longbridgewagons Chris Leigh discovered Longbridge during the 1960s and wrote about it at least once - "Longbridge in the 1960s - A prototype worth modelling" in Model Railway Constructor Annual 1986 p 16 - 23. Paul

I don't think I have any photos of traffic wagons for Rolls. Only the GWR and WR seems to have had a need for specialist wagons for this traffic - like you I have the Morton Lloyd drawing - excellent, but as the page is ripped from a magazine I don't know the reference. Photos are page 33, 135 and 151 in Russel, J. H. (1974) Great Western Wagon appendix. Oxford Publishing Co. Oxford, SBN 0 902888 03 X And Figs 178 - 182 in Russel, J. H. (1981) Freight wagons and loads in service on the Great Western Railway and British Rail, Western Region. Oxford Publishing Co. Oxford, SBN 86093 155 2 The BR were much the same and only 10 were built. I don't know a photograph of them. Internally there were specialist wagons for rolls such as http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/scunthorpebsccorus/e67dfe676 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/scunthorpebsccorus/e619dbb7f http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/scunthorpebsccorus/e61e52745 Nice set piece at Scunthorpe http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/e6ae6c334 Paul

It will have changed hugely over that period. By 1980 it was a major effort to find one with anything remaining of a top door. Becareful as well, because as well as the full rebuilds the few remaining ones with an original body frequently were partially rebuilt, http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3e3be5bb including the top door being crudely plated http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3dc0fa4c http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e317c143d My photos are no guide to the proportion as I went out of my way to photograph wagons in more original condition, often scanning long rakes of minerals for the odd survivor. It is also a possibility that different areas had different proportions, the unfitted 16ton minerals were semi-isolated fleets at that time working from local collieries to the staithes etc. Paul

I would suggest that I was lucky to find some Ingot Moulds at Wellingborough in October 1975. They appear to be quite newly written for this traffic http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/e54d13a8 Why they remained mixed in with the huge fleet of IOT that were standing in Wellingborough I cannot explain, However looking through http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/e54d13a8 some were doing just the same at Wellingborough in 1978 and 1982. They also returned to other traffics. This one http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/e3a6c7f06 from October 1983 appears to have had a period in Stone traffic before being claimed by the civil engineers. I believe the rectangular holes in the side were quite newly cut when seen at Radyr in September 1981 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/e14894b4b . Paul Bartlett Edit - I have collected the ingot moulds into their own collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ingotmould

TMD395279 photo http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmrdepartmentalstock/e1daa642b http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsdepartmentalcoach/e14714602 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsdepartmentalcoach/e5f3f518 DB999509 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/inspectionsaloon/e539dab9a and three more photos. Paul When was it renumbered?

You'll get some ideas with these http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cegbtankwagon Paul