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Actually my Olton Hall didn't. Looks like the Radial is coming in at £99.95 . Seems reasonable to me for something that must have a fairly low slung motor and custom chassis. Not one for me but definitely support Oxford Rail all the way if it brings out more like it. Again it's all about value for money. I can see how a bespoke model like this would cost that much. Nor far off a Bachmann E4 at £93 discounted.

Isn't that because Bachmann restrict the discount retailers can give to 15% for new models for a period, I can't quite remember 12 weeks?so price naturally gravitates to 15% discounted rate which I assume is £93

I thought Hattons would stick to the price on this one. I think it was the year after range announcements where they did say the price was an indication and may vary when delivered. I've now cancelled my LB&SCR one anyway. I was going to start a collection of pre grouping locos,and this would have joined my L&Y liveried tank , but I'm not prepared to pay ever larger amounts of money for models I will seldom use. Gone for a 64xx though at £69.95. I do think that's reasonable value.

And it is all down to you Andy! So a hearty thanks from me for being the founder and persevering through the hard times. You've done more to advance the hobby of Model Railways in this country than most. And I'm very sorry to say we have taken it and you for granted! Well done!

Well never say never. And some items are still relatively ok. Quite fancy a new 64xx tank, but at £69.95 discounted, that's not bad. Ironically the same price as the Autocoach! But purchases of wagons have ceased and I was fortunate to get my Portholes at the introductory price, so nothing new needed there. The auto coach is definitely shelved I fancied both the blood and custard and maroon ones but not at that price. Suspect it maybe the same price for forthcoming DBSO. I need one so will be forced to buy , but only one, not both blue grey and Scotrail versions. Suspect others will be reacting to these prices the same way.

Spot on sir! Was beginning to think I was the only one that felt that way

I liked the stately GNER livery. Never really liked East Coast Trains which I always thought looked cheap, except for their specially decorated 91s and DVTs which was bringing me round to the livery as a blank canvas. But I have to say pretty impressed with this one. Looks good to me. Will the IEP trains appear in this livery too?

I think it's now clear. All Hornby did was to make an announcement as a spoiler to Bachmanns news. It certainly got people talking about Hornby. I suppose they have been successfully. I still don't view it as gentlemanly conduct .

£68.95 for plastic mouldings, because at the end of the day that's what they are, basic plastic mouldings with a bit of assembly . Well scratch that one off the list. I fear for the DBSOs now

Or get Oxfordrail to model them. What's needed is a bit of competition here. I appreciate that it would cost at least £59 to assemble and paint an auto coach if I bought a kit .However these are injection mouldings put together in bulk. There maybe separately fitted parts , and I'm sure there will be a degree of finesse but what we are suffering from is Kaders decision to get more profit from its UK subsidiary. If Oxfordrail can bring out 4 wheel trucks at £8.95 instead of Bachmanns £12.95, let's encourage them to get into more model railways.

Does the bell ring for that price?

Well Hornby certainly stolen the froth on Bachmann with 11 pages on this thread so far with 15 over on Bachmann speculation thread that has been running for about a month I think. As I said at the start I think people are a little jaded with Bachmann with large price increases and very long gestation periods on new models . I think the market is swinging back in Hornbys favour at the moment. I'll bet Bachmann aren't Manufacturer of the Year this year in the poll

And the decision to announce it, was probably his mistake!

Purely on the basis of price, I'm thinking not

Wish I shared your confidence. Remember this is the company that releases HST power cars without intermediate trailers and vice versa. Aren't the Hornby Maunsells suitable rolling stock? They may not be in this years catalogue but I'm sure you can still get them. The market was flooded with them not so long ago. I'm sure they could make a reappearance in the 2016 catalogue

I really doubt Bachmann do more than basic research before announcing models, and I cite the Stanier 2-6-0 as evidence of this. I appreciate Bachmann probably have already CADs from developing there n gauge version but the reality is that unless they accelerate development Hornby must steel a march here if their model appears in 2016. There is a big assumption that Bachmann are doing an unrebuilt MN . But if they are, and even if the catalogues are already printed, I'd pull the plug and go and do something else instead. In the past I'd say the Bachmann one might be less expensive but their last price increases probably mean they lost this advantage However best to wait until Monday. It maybe that Hornby have just announced the MN to steel some publicity from Bachmann ahead of their announcement on Monday which may or may not include an MN. It's not usual Bachmann territory

And the Hattons King Class. Seems petty behaviour from such a big company

I'm constantly impressed by the innovation of RMwebbers. Tracking the cargo ship and plotting the weather. Its like a scene from Sink the Bismark! Where were you when we needed you Stationmaster ? German Destroyer at 21.5 knots Beattie tanks off the starboard bow Captain

I noticed there was no price though. I fear the worst. Bachmann have to learn that these are a discretionary spend . If I think it's value for money I'll pay for it. If I think I'm being fleeced I won't. Sorry but £19.95 is too much for these wagons .

Most traders had ample stocks at Model Rail Scotland today. Price around £95-£104. Tempted but it really is way out of region for me. Was looking for Rood Ashton Hall which strangely, by comparison there were only one or two.

What's the timing on the LNER one?

Yes I haven't come across your postings on here before, but I recognised the name Longdrem from the magazine article in the Hornby Mag. Great article I really enjoyed it. Nice seeing a Scottish layout in print. I know the area roughly ,Saughton junction, although I'm a westerner over in Glasgow As well as top link Pacifics really like the NBR motive power

Does look good. I like the different level approach to factory sidings on far left. A lot of civil engineering required , but looks very interesting

Bright yellow vestibules if I remember correctly. And manky! I remember for a while they were on the 17.12 express to Ayr, taking over from the Mk2 airconditioned "night rider" stock that had a fill in turn to Ayr. Not an improvement!

I think Hornby have been charging more money for Southern locos because they know there is demand and they can get away with it! If there was a perceived lack of demand why wouldn't they produce something else instead? The reason that the M7 has been traditionally higher priced is because there are enough people willing to pay for it!