Hornby 2021 - Wagons

[Paul H Vigor]

2 hours ago, Chuffed 1 said:

Can’t believe the ‘shocvan’ in this day and age.

Schoolboy error.

A consequence of the march of time? Modern designers lack the subject specialist expertise of their predecessors? Any van will do! - appears to be lacking the shock absorbing equipment?

[Rob Haigh]

Is it me or are they far fewer new private owner open wagon variations this year compared to previous years?

 

I always look forward to the wagon section to keep an eye out for companies local to me and there doesn't seem to be many!

[Steamport Southport]

2 minutes ago, Paul H Vigor said:

A consequence of the march of time? Modern designers lack the subject specialist expertise of their predecessors? Any van will do! - appears to be lacking the shock absorbing equipment?

 

It's always happened though. Even when the wagons were outside the door and you could look at them, they made mistakes or used generic wagons. In fact I reckon the modern designers are much better.

 

Look at the junk in the Triang and Hornby catalogues in the 1960s. Collectors lap them up. Some of us wouldn't bother the bin with them.

 

I blame the purchasers. If people buy stuff that is wrong, then they carry on making it. A sale is a sale at the end of the day.

 

 

Jason

[Steamport Southport]

3 minutes ago, Rob Haigh said:

Is it me or are they far fewer new private owner open wagon variations this year compared to previous years?

 

I always look forward to the wagon section to keep an eye out for companies local to me and there doesn't seem to be many!

 

Yes. I think the coaches and wagons have suffered a bit with the backlog. Still quite a lot that was announced last year still to come.

 

 

[Paul H Vigor]

16 minutes ago, Rob Haigh said:

Is it me or are they far fewer new private owner open wagon variations this year compared to previous years?

 

I always look forward to the wagon section to keep an eye out for companies local to me and there doesn't seem to be many!

I guess there's less of a place for historic wagonry on modern diesel layouts? I search the secondhand market for local PO wagons. You've got to get them when you see them because you may never see them again!

[scottrains29]

The 2021 range picture on Hornby's website shows a secow/sealion type wagon yet I can't find any mention of it. I wonder if there's more announcements still to come?

[Chuffed 1]

2 hours ago, Paul H Vigor said:

A consequence of the march of time? Modern designers lack the subject specialist expertise of their predecessors? Any van will do! - appears to be lacking the shock absorbing equipment?

Yes, also body too long, and no chassis ends visible, projecting vertical steel angle, generic brake linkage.

After the painted on bracing on the recent toad it would seem Hornby have lost interest in authentic detail.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Chuffed 1
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[manna]

G'Day Folks

 

Surprised that a Trout, wasn't included, bit like Hens Teeth at the moment.

 

manna

[Legend]

8 hours ago, Ruffnut Thorston said:

I’m loving the Tri-ang Toys container and Conflat!

 

I must get one of these, to go with my Tri-ang  Railways examples...

 

 

 Yep that’s the standout wagon for me! 

[Covkid]

2 hours ago, manna said:

G'Day Folks

 

Surprised that a Trout, wasn't included, bit like Hens Teeth at the moment.

 

manna

 

Me too actually. 

As per a note above yours, I saw the Seacow / Sealion image on the 2021 blurb and wondered about a new ballast wagon, but no mention here.

 

The two RTR ballast hopper designs which are really missing from 4mm scale are the BR Catfish (ZEV) and the GWR designed "Herring", both of which are available as kits.  Have to confess my part completed Cambrian kits Catfish went in the bin years ago.  Must have another go, maybe using blutack / plasticine.    

Edited January 5, 2021 by Covkid
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[Halvarras]

What's a "MOGO Vent Van", other than a contradiction? End doors not compatible with vents. No visible corner hinges either. I don't think Hornby has existing tooling for a MOGO so are these new tooling or just vent vans with MOGO markings? And if so just catalogue-fillers of very dubious value?

[Invicta]

12 hours ago, Invicta said:

The '12-Ton' branding and wagon number seem to suggest that what Hornby have actually looked at is an LMS D1927 3-plank, as per the Ratio kit or Mainline/Dapol/Bachman RTR, which is a slightly larger beast than Hornby's little 8-tonner!

 

12 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

It's typical of Hornby with these 3-plank, 4-plank, and 6-plank wagons to score such near-misses, which is a shame. It smacks of laziness, I'm afraid.

 

A bit of further digging reveals a 1939-dated photo in the Essery LMS Wagons vol.1 of a D1927 in exactly this livery combination of small post-'36 lettering style on a pre-'36 grey wagon, with a number not far away from Hornby's release - The caption suggests a number of these wagons were thus painted in 1937, so it's another case of a correct, albeit unusual, livery applied to the wrong wagon. 

 

As you say, a bit lazy, given that looking in the correct book could have given them a more accurate combination.

[57xx]

5 minutes ago, Neil Phillips said:

What's a "MOGO Vent Van", other than a contradiction? End doors not compatible with vents. No visible corner hinges either. I don't think Hornby has existing tooling for a MOGO so are these new tooling or just vent vans with MOGO markings? And if so just catalogue-fillers of very dubious value?

 

It's not a Mogo, the hinges on the Bachmann Mogo are very clearly visible. This looks like the same vent van as the one 2 items above it (BR vent van era 4), just with Mogo branding. As you say, just dubious filler.

[RyanN91]

Nice wagons for 2021 nice to see a BR Motorail Carflat wagon back! 

[The Johnster]

14 hours ago, cheesysmith said:

Looking at the RRP I think I'll be going with the other guys (assuming they don`t make some error) for my HAA.

 

The bogie bolster A looks like a new model, the old mainline version came with DC brake levers, this one looks like it has normal brake levers.

 

The vent van with the 3 vertical stripes? Doesn`t the stripes mean a shock van? If so, is it the correct length?

I believe Bachmann are still knocking out the old Mainline bogie bolster.  The 'shocvan' is certainly a shocker, and has incorrect spoked wheels as well, as do the other BR vans.   These are really elementary mistakes, and inexcusable.

11 hours ago, Neil Phillips said:

LNER extra-long CCT when the previous one is still available.

Does the new one still have the 'design clever' chassis?  I had a lot of trouble with mine and eventually replaced it with a Parkside kit, but my Southern BY, which has a similarly designed chassis has never given any bother at all!

[tomparryharry]

The van body is shorter (by about 18" each end)  to accommodate the internal springing. Likewise, the shock-absorbing apparatus is under the doors, at solebar level. 

 

Such a pity, as Hornby can turn out some exquisite models. On this occasion, the wallet remains tightly shut.

[The Johnster]

11 hours ago, 57xx said:

 

Looks like quite a few Airfix re-hashes there, the Conflat and Lowmac both look like the old Airfix items.

The crate gives it away as the old Airfix Lowmac but I think the chassis and buffers have been improved over the years.  I've never liked the crate; it is small enough to be carried in a lowfit and does not need a Lowmac/Loriot; these were specialised wagons for loads that would have been out of gauge carried on normal wagons, so why provide it with a load that is not at all out of gauge?  Is the excuse that it's a return load?

 

Also, it's difficult to remove from the wagon so that you can run it empty or put a more suitable load on it, or at least the old Airfix one was, glued very firmly on and left a bad mark when I eventually prised it off.  The wagon went the way of all flesh many years ago but I've still got the crate in a box somewhere...

[Hilux5972]

Pleased to see more KFA’s announced. 

[Enterprisingwestern]

 

Just an observation, but, IMHO, Hornby have missed a trick, that is, consign the original MGR to the dustbin and knock out the newer re-tooled version in the Railroad range at a tenner a pop. Do they not realise a far superior model is on it's way at a not too dis-similar price to their below par representation?

 

Mike.

[rorz101uk]

Please Hornby, would bring out the shark brake Van out again in 1950s/60s livery! 

[Fat Controller]

7 hours ago, Hilux5972 said:

Pleased to see more KFA’s announced. 

Those tank containers are lovely models.

[TomScrut]

2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Just an observation, but, IMHO, Hornby have missed a trick, that is, consign the original MGR to the dustbin and knock out the newer re-tooled version in the Railroad range at a tenner a pop. Do they not realise a far superior model is on it's way at a not too dis-similar price to their below par representation?

 

Mike.

 

I expect they do know and will probably be counting on not everyone else knowing. Then probably some more next year at half the price.

[Fat Controller]

7 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

The van body is shorter (by about 18" each end)  to accommodate the internal springing. Likewise, the shock-absorbing apparatus is under the doors, at solebar level. 

 

Such a pity, as Hornby can turn out some exquisite models. On this occasion, the wallet remains tightly shut.

It's not as much as 18"; all the weight diagrams I've seen have the body as being 16'6" overall (the chassis being 17'6"), as opposed to 17'6" for an ordinary van. 

[Invicta]

8 hours ago, The Johnster said:

The crate gives it away as the old Airfix Lowmac but I think the chassis and buffers have been improved over the years.  I've never liked the crate; it is small enough to be carried in a lowfit and does not need a Lowmac/Loriot; these were specialised wagons for loads that would have been out of gauge carried on normal wagons, so why provide it with a load that is not at all out of gauge?  Is the excuse that it's a return load?

 

Also, it's difficult to remove from the wagon so that you can run it empty or put a more suitable load on it, or at least the old Airfix one was, glued very firmly on and left a bad mark when I eventually prised it off.  The wagon went the way of all flesh many years ago but I've still got the crate in a box somewhere...

 

From very vague memory, on the Hornby one I bought about 15 years ago, I think they'd progressed from glueing the crate on, to a plastic moulding that the crate slipped over, which in turn was stuck to the wagon bed with a double-sided sticky pad or tape- Certainly I did manage to separate wagon and crate without leaving permanent damage to the finish of the wagon. As you say, the crate never really looked right on a Lowmac, and I've usually had a vehicle of some description on mine

[tomparryharry]

2 hours ago, Fat Controller said:

It's not as much as 18"; all the weight diagrams I've seen have the body as being 16'6" overall (the chassis being 17'6"), as opposed to 17'6" for an ordinary van. 

Hello Brian, you could well be right. I've seen some wagons with 21" Oleo buffers on the head stocks, with an extension bracket welded  around the drawbar hook.