Steamport Southport Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I can vaguely recall some discussion of this after I first discovered them myself - they are just round the corner from my brother's place - and seemingly for some unfathomable reason Thomas Muir's have been unco-operative. Don't know why, a couple of the Wemyss austerities escaped from their yard and are still chuffing around. Mind you I'm idly curious to know where this pair came from originally Yes. I remember someone I knew enquiring about them in the late 1980s. The owner was apparently treating them as his "insurance" for his retirement as he regarded them as being worth a lot of money. Some escaped, but I think there are still four there. The Avonside earlier in the thread was from Cronton Colliery. I saw it when it was at West Houghton in the 1980s. There was another locomotive in that yard which was buried under a pile of cars. A Hudswell Clark I seem to remember. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I was under the impression that the standard off-shelf colour of these Barclays was a lightish blue, but googling earlier this evening didn't turn up anything beyond an unreferenced statement that the usual factory finish was a lined green! Anybody able to quote chapter and verse either way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Lined green was the "standard" livery I believe. Usually with the name painted on the tanksides. I think the works archives are still in existence and housed by The university Of Glasgow. Same as this. http://www.ribblesteam.org.uk/exhibits/steam/2-andrew-barclay-1598-1918-efficient Although I would have thought that many buyers would have picked their own liveries and many would have been repainted over the years, especially if they had changed hands. I believe that Efficient above never changed livery throughout it's existence, just a repaint in it's original colour when preserved. Photographs of others have the same lining and lettering, although most photographs are in B&W. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Same again in 1975, but perhaps a useful view of the footplate from the driver's viewpoint. https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/60/909/ NCB West Ayrshire Area 0-4-0ST No.10 (Andrew Barclay 2244 of 1947) in action in 1974. https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/60/886/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Same again in 1975, but perhaps a useful view of the footplate from the driver's viewpoint. https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/60/909/ That shows very well the running plate fabricated from diamond/chequer/durbar plate that a lot of AB's seem to have been built with. Thanks, P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Could someone enlighten me on qhat type of industral site FINA was? I can't find anything about it on Google at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Try a google for "Petrofina". This might give you a clue: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224941/Pictured-The-vintage-petrol-pumps-dispensing-fuel-50-years.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted September 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2017 That shows very well the running plate fabricated from diamond/chequer/durbar plate that a lot of AB's seem to have been built with. Thanks, P Is that better for grip on crewmembers' shoes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin242 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Could someone enlighten me on qhat type of industral site FINA was? I can't find anything about it on Google at all. The engine never carried that livery in its working life. It was a sponsorship deal in the early days of Steamtown Carnforth from Petrofina who supplied oil to us at that time. It worked for British Gypsum before preservation and was painted in the faded standard Barclays works green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Is that better for grip on crewmembers' shoes? Hob nail boots more like... Edited September 28, 2017 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 The engine never carried that livery in its working life. It was a sponsorship deal in the early days of Steamtown Carnforth from Petrofina who supplied oil to us at that time. It worked for British Gypsum before preservation and was painted in the faded standard Barclays works green. Ah, okay thanks for the heads up. I could see them doing 2134 in her original livery eventually aswell, it'd make that one be modelled in 4 different liveries too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Been studying the pictures, both the models and the real thing. Lovely models of a much loved loco type, but can Hatton Dave confirm if the cab windows shown on the EP have now been moved to the correct place for the production version. The cab windows appear to be closer to the roof than the tank whereas it should be the other way round, it is quite obvious on the photos the difference between the model and the prototype. It took a wee while to figure what was different between the 14'' and the 16'' locos but Porcy's animation shows the size difference very well but the windows are slightly out on both. Dave Franks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Is that better for grip on crewmembers' shoes? Having walked on a lot of the stuff in industrial plant, I came to see it as a warning: this surface can be very slippery indeed, proceed with caution. As already mentioned above, suitable non-slip soles were the thing to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 The engine never carried that livery in its working life. It was a sponsorship deal in the early days of Steamtown Carnforth from Petrofina who supplied oil to us at that time. It worked for British Gypsum before preservation and was painted in the faded standard Barclays works green. Don't care, its the closest match to the post-nationalisation Aberdeen Gas Works livery The Fina logo won't last five minutes and I can foresee an order to Narrow Planet for plates. Mind you, given the number of "preservation" liveries, Hattons really could do with turning out more working and ex-works locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted September 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2017 The industrial Records Library at Glasgow University is one of the best places to go. They house the original photographs, and plate glass negatives of Andrew Barclay. Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Don't care, its the closest match to the post-nationalisation Aberdeen Gas Works livery The Fina logo won't last five minutes and I can foresee an order to Narrow Planet for plates. Mind you, given the number of "preservation" liveries, Hattons really could do with turning out more working and ex-works locos. Funnily enough, given your forum name, I have ordered the Caledonian one with a view to removing the C-crest-R lettering, and have pre-empted the announcement of these locos by ordering a few sets of nameplates from Narrow Planet for my fictitious industrial group of locos - I ordered some extras to allow for future additions to the fleet, so the A-B will receive one of these extra sets. I can thoroughly recommend the service provided by Narrow Planet, with this being my third order from them. They even send a link to the artwork so you can check that they are what you had in mind. I have no connection with them except as a satisfied customer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Scottish-Exile Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) I can thoroughly recommend the service provided by Narrow Planet, with this being my third order from them. They even send a link to the artwork so you can check that they are what you had in mind. I have no connection with them except as a satisfied customer. Thanks for that. I recently bookmarked them thinking I may order some custom pates one day. Edited September 30, 2017 by Scottish-Exile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
virginhst539 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Another model added to the list. Anyone fancy chopping there new model and doing one with a NCB coal bunker mod..... also is there even a sound file for a Barclay available at the moment? Seem to be drawing a blank when trying to locate one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Hells bells! I must have been living under a rock! I had no idea there was a BARCLAY being produced. I never thought to look under Hattons rather than Hornby or Bachmann. Only question is which one(s) to get. Think NCB green is a very n members the lined black. Have to do a spot of research on fife puggies. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Hoping to see the livery samples for these little locos soon as the P Class livery samples looked great when I saw them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST (works number 2043) NCB No.6 at Kinneil Colliery on 16 February 1978. https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/61/134/ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted October 20, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2017 Hi all, Another milestone has been reached for all of our Andrew Barclay locomotives as we have received all 12 painted samples. We're happy with how things are progressing and we're glad to report that we've not had to note many corrections. AB14-002 is sporting a shade of green that is a little too light and a revised shade has already been specified. AB16-002 and AB16-004 have been incorrectly fitted with high tanks on these samples. Low tanks will be used for the production models. There are also some minor blemishes in some of the lining and we will be ensuring that this is resolved for the final models. Enough of me though, here's some photos for you to enjoy. AB14-001 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 14” 2047 ‘705’ in BR black with early crest AB14-002 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 14” 2047 ‘705’ in GWR green with shirtbutton roundel AB14-003 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 14” 2134 “Coronation” in lined green AB14-004 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 14” 1863 in Caledonian Railway lined blue AB14-005 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 14” 2134 “WTT” in lined green AB14-006 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 14” 2069 “Little Barford” in Acton Lane Power Station blue with wasp stripes AB14-007 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 14” 1927 ‘No.1’ in Burnley Corporation Gas Department blue AB14-008 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 14” 2134 ‘No.3’ in Fina lined blue AB16-001 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 16” 2244 ‘No.10’ in NCB lined black AB16-002 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 16” 2043 'No 6' in NCB green (previously announced as: 2260 ‘No.23’ in NCB green) AB16-003 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 16” 2226 “Katie” in lined maroon AB16-004 - Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST 16” 1964 in CPC UK blue Hi-resolution images, including more angles are available to view HERE on our website. As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback. Cheers, Dave 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) "As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback." My only thought is you're a very bad man! I'd only ordered one and now I want four of the little b****** Edited October 20, 2017 by PaulRhB 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted October 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2017 These look superb, I can see me raising my preorder, too lovely to resist! Cheers, Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 One on order already! Can see another coming along. AN industrial preservation layout possibly with steam/diesel . No excuses now ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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