Peterborough North

[hayfield]

Gordon

 

What make and size of ballast have you used please, I want some for an 0.16.5 layout. But I have found that 00 is too coarse and N too fine. And most of all the colour looks just what I want. 

[davidw]

Gibert,

The BG in the scotsman, was that one with deeper solebars?

 

David

[coachmann]

Sorry Larry, I can't find any big enough photos of Welsh mountains.   And if I could, a Thompson loco hauling one of Sir Nigel's finest?   No I could not bring myself to do that.

I could......!

Thompson triumphant @ Peterborogogoch....

Edited January 13, 2013 by coachmann

[fishytrains]

As always some great photos and the humour just brightened my day no end. Thanks for that!

 

Mike

Edited January 13, 2013 by fishytrains

[Andy Y]

TW has dropped by in Wright Writes to mark the milestone including a couple of lovely snaps.

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64295-wright-writes/page-3&do=findComment&comment=911705

 

[great northern]

I could......!

Thompson triumphant @ Peterborogogoch....

WEB Thompson triumph Peterborogogoch .jpg

You know Larry, I thought you might.   Just shows that you really can't believe what you see any more though, doesn't it?

Edited January 13, 2013 by great northern

[great northern]

Gilbert,

 

I don't want to throw a bucket of cold water on those members wearing gaberdine rain coats and bottle lensed' Cosmo Smallpiece' spectacles not to mention sawn off trouser bottoms which ended just above the knee and a packet of sweets and I'm sure they own some very nice puppies just around the corner. BUT.

 

All this talk of Hot Pants at Peterborough North in 1958!

 

Those delightful items did not appear until 1971-72 too late for your period and thankfully they had fallen from fashion before it became mandatory to own an A---se and thighs the size of a small country, we owe so much to the Good 'ol US of A and the sign of the big yellow M.

 

While I'm in Grumpy Old G--T mode the Railway Coppers of the period are more likely to focus their attention on women sporting tattoos since they must have just come out of or escaped from prison or be 'on the game.'

 

Stick to Airfix / Dapol RAF service figures and squaddies on National Service.

 

Spoil-Sport of Ancaster

 Buried somewhere back in the thread Dave is a post I put on about some figures I bought at Spalding show in 2011, in which I mentioned that most of them were far too modern for 1958. I gave the girl in hot pants as an example, and for some reason I can't fathom she seemed to cause a lot of interest.   She will not however be appearing either on the layout or in person on here.

[great northern]

Gordon

 

What make and size of ballast have you used please, I want some for an 0.16.5 layout. But I have found that 00 is too coarse and N too fine. And most of all the colour looks just what I want. 

Hi John,

 

All track and ballasting on the scenic side was done by Norman Saunders of Just Tracks, so I'm afraid I can't help you on that. Perhaps you could ask Norman?

[coachmann]

Hi Gilbert, I knew what I wanted but it took over half an hours scrolling through Peterborough pages looking for two pictures taken from the same viewpoint containing an A4 and an A2/3. I take your point about nothing being believable any longer. Editor Murray Brown said the same after I sent him an image about 11 years ago of a Class 66 climbing through Llandulas with ballast empties and being passed by an original 'Warship' hydraulic!

Edited January 13, 2013 by coachmann

[Mallard60022]

Gilbert, why do all your 'going away' shots look so good? In 'real steam' days, if I took a pic 'going away', the loco always looked out of 'perspective so to speak. Was it the lenses on those old cameras do you think?

Re. the hot pants mystery (and I really will leave this alone now honest). I have to reassure you that hot shorts were very much the thing for some young women in 1958. I have very vivid memories of witnessing such clothing as two young women passed me as I was spotting in the back lane on the east side of Plymouth North Road (yes I said spotting.....). If you refer to the long gone TV comedy (?) Hi de Hi you will see or maybe even remember that the Yellowcoat girls often wore very short shorts! So Gilbert, we expect to see a slightly modified 4mm figure as this is authentic and don't let Tetleys put you off

Let's face it, we must have something on the platforms for the loco crews to stare at and pose for mustn't we.

P @ 36E

Edited January 13, 2013 by Mallard60022

[The Stationmaster]

I could......!

Thompson triumphant @ Peterborogogoch....

WEB Thompson triumph Peterborogogoch .jpg

 

I'm sure I got a faint whiff of garlic from that picture  ... off to get my hat & coat

Edited January 13, 2013 by The Stationmaster

[great northern]

Gibert,

The BG in the scotsman, was that one with deeper solebars?

 

David

It was one of three, E10-12 with covered solebars, David, though TW tells me it is very unlikely that one of them would have been in the Scotsman formation during the Summer timetable. The road to perfection is a hard and rocky one, and I suspect that it has no end.

[great northern]

Gilbert, why do all your 'going away' shots look so good? In 'real steam' days, if I took a pic 'going away', the loco always looked out of 'perspective so to speak. Was it the lenses on those old cameras do you think?

Re. the hot pants mystery (and I really will leave this alone now honest). I have to reassure you that hot shorts were very much the thing for some young women in 1958. I have very vivid memories of witnessing such clothing as two young women passed me as I was spotting in the back lane on the east side of Plymouth North Road (yes I said spotting.....). If you refer to the long gone TV comedy (?) Hi de Hi you will see or maybe even remember that the Yellowcoat girls often wore very short shorts! So Gilbert, we expect to see a slightly modified 4mm figure as this is authentic and don't let Tetleys put you off

Let's face it, we must have something on the platforms for the loco crews to stare at and pose for mustn't we.

P @ 36E

 As to the going away shots Phil, I really don't know. It is probably just a fluke, as are many of the effects which I somehow manage to get. Mind you, I well remember getting a photo of 60066 leaving Grantham on an Up train in '61 or'62, and being very proud of it, so perhaps I just have a knack for getting it right. I'd love to post that photo of 60066, but while I was away at Law school my mother decided I had "grown out of" trains, and binned everything - notebooks, photos, negatives, Trains Illustrateds, the lot.

 

No scantily dressed young ladies will appear. Remember this is supposed to be August, so it would be far too cold for that sort of thing. And I don't want to get involved in Operation whatever it is.

[lmsforever]

Gilbert I have been having a conversation with my other half about hot pants and she thinks they were early sixties,she said that she never wore them and that maxi skirts were in fashion then.Like the latest photos ,will you be running a B17 on a visiting ER working?

[great northern]

Gilbert I have been having a conversation with my other half about hot pants and she thinks they were early sixties,she said that she never wore them and that maxi skirts were in fashion then.Like the latest photos ,will you be running a B17 on a visiting ER working?

One of the main reasons I chose Peterborough North to model was that I could justify B17's. Not as many as at Peterborough East, but you can't have everything. So, yes there are enough trains from March/Cambridge/Norwich/Harwich to employ a few, plus a working down the GN/GE joint from Doncaster. I may even find an excuse for a few more, but only when Andy Rush is not watching.

[great northern]

This morning I have spent some time at my front bedroom window, watching the snow gently fall, and savouring the sounds carried on the crisp air. Ah, yes, the over revved engine, the slithering sound of a Chelsea tractor whose owner has just braked heavily as is her normal practice, The meaty crunch, the tinkle of breaking glass, the stream of oaths and imprecations........

 

Back to railways. We all imagine the romance of journeys to far away and exotic places do we not? The Orient Express eh? Though the Trans Siberian may be more appropriate today. Well, you'll have to keep on imagining, as the next train is the 6.45pm KX- Cleethorpes.

 

 

Immingham crews made sure their B1's were well turned out for these duties, but in addition to the trademark white hinge straps and well cleaned appearance, this crew had an extra check list today. Vac pipe, front coupling.......

 

 

I like this view, probably taken from the top of the Spital Bridge Cenotaph coaling plant. And why do I like it? No sky, no lattice posts to photoshop. You may well see more like this.

 

 

This one was going to be shot a bit wider to include the Ivatt 4 in the neighbouring bay platform. Unfortunately it failed its pre journey check. Correct lamp displayed? Front coupling present? Vac pipe? It's probably lying in the four foot way somewhere near South Lynn. Cropping tool is very useful sometimes.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Tom F]

Oh wow Gilbert! That first shot with the sun hitting the boiler and tender of the B1....seriously wow!

[Mallard60022]

Oh blast, no hot anythings except boxes perhaps?

Love the high view B1 shot and as Tom says, wow for the first one - just brilliant.

Oh yes, Cleethorpes is similar to Siberia I'm told but Jeff will confirm I'm sure. So you have got an exotic express and a lovely loco to haul it.

Chelsea Tractor; sounds like a certain mid-field thug that they have on the books...........

Now then Gilbert, who would you like to make the litter & detritus (what a great word) for your station track area?

Finally, what a tragedy about your railway related goods, a real loss of such vital info..........

Exiting remark: I cleared the snow from the car park at work this afternoon leaving a lovely, shiny and wet surface. So tomorrow morning I can watch the skating showfrom the safety of the Boiler House as folk arrive in their usual 'first thing stupor'; more crunching and tinkling with a bit of luck. Shortly afterwards I shall appear with my gritting device (shovel and industrial strength gloved hand) smiling and mentioning that "you are a bit early today, It's quite slippery isn't it?"

Bye, P

Edited January 14, 2013 by Mallard60022

[coachmann]

Great Northern said :-

This morning I have spent some time at my front bedroom window, watching the snow gently fall, and savouring the sounds carried on the crisp air......

 

I promise as one of my New Year resolutions not to mess further with Gilberts photography...

[gwrrob]

WEB Snow @ Peterboro.jpg

 

I promise as one of my New Year resolutions not to mess further with Gilberts photography...

How come theres no snow on the locomotive.

[westerner]

It's melted

[great northern]

It's melted

Well, it would, 'cos it's hot, innit?

[great northern]

Those of you with long memories and much staying power may remember this image.

 

 

Photo copyright of and by courtesy of Andrew C Ingram, and not to be further reproduced without his permission. You may also remember that in the very early days of this thread, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, and Lincoln City were a Football League club I tried to reproduce it on the model, with abysmal results. Undeterred, I had another go a while later, which was better, but not much. Today while clearing up. I came across the photo again, and decided to have yet another go, as the layout has moved on considerably, I have a better camera, and my photography skills have improved, albeit from a very low base. Here's what we get this time.

 

 

I still can't get the same angle, and I can't get the signal on the platform in focus without the loco being far too small. Apologies for the lack of detail on the front of Deltic - I still can't find the detailing pack. Apologies also for the unneccesary detail on the B1, in the form of the Class B lamp. It would have been nice to get it in the right place at least, having forgotten to take it off.

 

Other than that, I'm somewhat encouraged, as things do in general relate to each other and the real thing quite well. The glaring problem is the lack of any background on the left hand side. I can actually put a backscene there, as it wouldn't interfere with access or photography, so somehow I must try to recreate what is shown on the original - just vague silhouettes, and that will tie the whole thing in a lot better. Any further suggestions as to how it could be improved?

 

[Mallard60022]

Hey Gilbert, Vague Silhouettes - great name for a band. I shall go out now and recruit a bass player; you are OK for drums aren't you? Andy can fill in on keyboards and Tom can join us on strings for Beatles covers. Volunteers for singer and gob organ anyone?

Anyhow, that's a damn good repro pic of the original though. That blue beast must have caused a bit of a stir when it first appeared at PN. I saw it once at the Cross; 1960 I think?

The B1 in the snow;brilliant. I think the buffer beam and buffers might have had a bit of ice stuff on them and the tender axle-box covers. There would have been plenty of steam too, including some leaking from the 'bags'! Coach, you have permission to continue............. Gilbert won't mind.

Quack.

[great northern]

I thought I had worked out the very eccentric signalling arrangements at PN, but while running a train into platform 6 a while ago I became confused once more. Can any signalling experts out there please help solve this? I don't have signal box diagrams at the moment I'm afraid. OK, we have a train running in to platform 6, where it will stop. It has come up from East station, and the last signal controlling it will have been the other side of Crescent Bridge. This is the next signal it comes to.

 

 

It is a peculiar arrangement. Platform 6 could be used for trains in both directions, so the low slung one on the left is clearly the Up starter. The only other arm on the same post though is a Distant. The Home signal on the other post will be for the Up slow, and the Distant for the Down slow. Next shot shows what happens after the train passes this signal.

 

 

There are no other signals until well after the end of the platform.

 

 

The relevant signal here is the one on the extreme left. We have a Home, which is the starter for Down trains I presume, and the other two arms will control access to New England yard, which is how all the other brackets at this end seem to work. So, nothing to stop a train at the platform, and I don't really understand the Distant at the entry to the platform in those circumstances. I'm missing something, but what? Oh, in case of complaints, I've done a shot of the train as well. It will be off to Leicester shortly.