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LSWR 3-plank dropside with brick load


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You will be pleased to know it isn't all GWR 4-plank wagons here...

 

Netherport's imagined location on the Dorset coast is in LSWR territory as much as GWR, so any non-GWR wagons being seen at Netherport are more likely to be LSWR than anything else. Looking at the local geology, it seems the nearest area with clay suitable for brick-making would be to the east of Netherport, and served by the LSWR, so this 3-plank open is bringing bricks for construction work in the town.

 

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The kit is from the old ABS range, much of which is still available from @djparkin. The whitemetal castings are excellent, with some beautifully crisp detail. They also capture well the chunky character of the wooden prototype, with its angled headstock ends doubling as stops for the drop-down sides. As always with these kits, some careful fettling to make sure the main parts go together just right is time well spent:

 

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I used lowmelt solder, only soldering the corners where the headstocks and solebars meet. Because the lowmelt provides a very solid joint, there is no need to solder the ends to the drop-down sides, so these remaining looking like they are separate parts, as they should.

 

The brake lever and vee-hangers are whitemetal, and inevitably a little thick, so I decided to replace them with etched components. The double vee-hangers come on a fret that allows you to fold them up and assemble them with the cross-shaft, before fitting to the wagon:

 

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I kept the cast brake shoes and push-rods (good decision), and the cast brake lever guard and safety loops (poor decision - I should have replaced them with etched parts):

 

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Round the other side, because the kit allows for either-side, independent brake gear, and I wanted singled-sided for my period, I had to patch up some holes in the solebar with filler. I also replaced the cast horse-hook with wire, relocating it to a slightly different position as seen in photos of the prototype, and added some missing ironmongery with plastikard. I also managed to slightly melt the bottom of one axle-guard, and had to patch that up. The brown paint is acting as a primer where some of this work has been done:

 

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The kit comes with a piece of planked plastic sheet for the floor, which is rather crude, so I replaced it with a new one. Plank grooves were scribed and then the piece was sanded to roughen the surface and give some texture - this really helps when dry-brushing later.

 

The bricks are by Juweela, available from Model Scenery Supplies. They claim to be 1:48 scale, but are actually pretty accurate for 7mm in length and width, although a bit too thin. However, the colour and texture of the ceramic material are worth the slight dimensional inaccuracy in my opinion.

 

I first worked out how many I would need, and how they could be laid out to avoid the interior ironwork:

 

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As they come, the bricks are a bit pale and uniform in colour, so I made up some dilute washes of reds and browns, and soaked batches of bricks in different colours. When they dried out, there was a small but definite variation in colour, which improved the effect significantly:

 

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The bricks are glued to a plastikard former that sits in the wagon. This has a shape cut out to give the sense the top layer of bricks is not complete - this is seen in photos of wagons loaded with bricks.

 

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Where the rows needed to be staggered to accommodate the wagon ironwork, packing pieces of plastikard provided an offset, hidden by the upper layer:

 

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The bricks were glued in place by soaking them in dilute PVA. To fit the top layer, I used a piece of brass section as a guide to keep the rows in place while laying out the bricks before gluing:

 

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The interior of the wagon was painted with a couple of basic wood colours in rough coats. The paper held with an elastic band protects the outside paintwork - it's still in grey primer, but the wagon gets quite a lot of handling at this stage, and the primer can get rubbed off the whitemetal quite easily.

 

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Some rough dry brushing in brown and grey provides some variety to the final finish. It looks pretty grim at this stage...

 

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...but it comes together with final dry brushing and washes:

 

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I replaced the whitemetal buffer heads and coupling hooks, and applied lettering with Powsides rub-down transfers (next time I'll get the LSWR evenly spaced!):

 

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And there it is - a few thousand bricks arriving in Netherport. I wonder who it building what?

 

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That's a lovely job, Nick

 

About the brick size: as a boy, we lived in a house built of 2" bricks rising 6 courses per foot rather than the now pretty much universal 4 courses per foot (3") - that was built in 1950 using bricks sold off from the abandoned Guildford Cathedral project. When the project was revived in the later 1950s, we were invited to buy bricks, one by one, and sign them so somewhere in the catherdral is one with my 5 or 6 year old signature on it. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, kitpw said:

That's a lovely job, Nick

 

About the brick size: as a boy, we lived in a house built of 2" bricks rising 6 courses per foot rather than the now pretty much universal 4 courses per foot (3") - that was built in 1950 using bricks sold off from the abandoned Guildford Cathedral project. When the project was revived in the later 1950s, we were invited to buy bricks, one by one, and sign them so somewhere in the catherdral is one with my 5 or 6 year old signature on it. 

 

 

 

That's a lovely story - thanks Kit. And of course, in earlier times, bricks were all sorts of shapes and sizes - especially thinner ones than now. I think though that by my early 20th century period, the current standard had been largely settled on.

 

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I shall try to follow this approach for our wagons.  What colour of "brick" have you used?  Roughly how many bricks per layer?

 

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Nicely done, I bet it sits well with the weight of the whitemetal body. 

 

Facing brick was traditionally thinner than common brick, so it could be a load of those. 

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2 hours ago, Western Star said:

I shall try to follow this approach for our wagons.  What colour of "brick" have you used?  Roughly how many bricks per layer?

 

thank you, Graham

 

The packet describes the bricks as:

 

Juweela Bricks

1:48 Med Red

JU24023 Qty 1000 av.

 

I still have some left from the nominal 1000 in the packet - maybe a quarter - so one pack should be enough for any normal sized wagon. Because of the way I made the former, there is only one row of overlap where the upper and lower layers meet.

 

One thing I have noticed in pictures, after I finished this wagon, is there are quite often a few 'loose' bricks that aren't neatly stacked, lying on top. Possibly they shifted in transit, or the last few bricks in a load just get put in any which way.

 

In case you haven't seen them, there are a couple of useful videos, which show how bricks were loaded - including some rather extraordinary loading of a 1-plank wagon:

 

http://www.ampthill.tv/archive/ZZ/Brickmaking 1938/Bricks Cine 1938.mp4 - see 11.56 onwards for bricks being loaded, and overhead views of wagons showing the tops of the bricks as loaded.
 

And a video of bricks being loaded and train of wagons with bricks passing, plus following discussion :

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/113035-more-pre-grouping-wagons-in-4mm-the-d299-appreciation-thread/&do=findComment&comment=4629695

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Dave John said:

Nicely done, I bet it sits well with the weight of the whitemetal body. 

 

Facing brick was traditionally thinner than common brick, so it could be a load of those. 

 

Yes, it is quite hefty, but I weight my wagons to around 1 gram per millimetre of length, so it isn't too much over that.

 

And that's for the note about facing bricks - that will be my post-hoc justification from now on...

 

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Anther excellent wagon build and I love the way the sides are clearly not fixed to the ends and could easily drop if only the retaining rings were removed...

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6 minutes ago, Chrisbr said:

Anther excellent wagon build and I love the way the sides are clearly not fixed to the ends and could easily drop if only the retaining rings were removed...

 

Thanks, Chris - I particularly like that aspect as well. It's great when a model looks 'constructed' from components, rather than 'moulded' as a single thing.

 

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Yes there's a real sense of mass here, this is where our platic wagons come up a bit short sometimes.

 

It's another beautiful build, the texture of the bricks add a lot and the unfinished layer clinches it. Interesting to see your interior paintwork technique too.

 

The only problem is that with one MR wagon and one LSWR wagon you may have reached the ceiling of your quota for pre-pooling foreign wagons. Unless Netherport staion is biger than I think? In any case, don't let that stop you, the more you build the happier we are 🙂

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6 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

The only problem is that with one MR wagon and one LSWR wagon you may have reached the ceiling of your quota for pre-pooling foreign wagons. Unless Netherport staion is biger than I think? In any case, don't let that stop you, the more you build the happier we are 🙂


Yes, I have been thinking about that. At the moment, my planned wagon stock has 20 GWR revenue-earning wagons, 6 non-revenue (a Cordon gas tank and some loco coal wagons), 8 private owner coal wagons, and 8 non-GWR wagons.

 

Coal wagon numbers are doubled, with half full and half empty. 8 non-GWR wagons is disproportionately high, as you note, but my thinking is that I would only run one or two at a time. In my head, each has a justification - a plausible imagined reason to be present - but they certainly shouldn’t all be seen together.

 

Netherport isn’t all that big, as I see it, but it is more than just a branch terminus - the harbour and an engineering works bring additional traffic, beyond the needs of the town itself.

 

At some point I should do a post explaining the plan - it would be interesting to get people’s thoughts on it.

 

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For a moment there, I thought it was going to be individual bricks all the way down! 

 

(I see Juweela do them in 1:72 too...)

 

But why bother with the wagon floor if there's going to be a former supporting the top layer of bricks?

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2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

For a moment there, I thought it was going to be individual bricks all the way down! 


Remember, it’s all theatre! You only see what you can see….

 

2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

But why bother with the wagon floor if there's going to be a former supporting the top layer of bricks?

 

Good question - the former, with its bricks, was designed to be removable. It has supports about one third and two thirds along the length of the wagon, the idea being you can push down on one end and the other end will flip up so you can grip it and remove it. However, in my desire to minimise the gap around the edges, and with the protruding internal ironwork detail, the load is now wedged in place, and I am reluctant to try and get it out, for fear of damaging it and/or the wagon.

 

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Find a quiet corner to sit cross-legged in and repeat until your eyes glaze over:

 

"The wagon and its load are one."

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6 hours ago, magmouse said:

the former, with its bricks, was designed to be removable.

I've done a couple of wagons with a single central small hole in the bottom of the wagon through which a rod can be inserted to nudge the load if it's a bit sticky. The load (coal) is carried on an mdf palette with thickness cut to suit the number of planks of the wagon.  The mdf has a couple of steel screws in it (at 1/3rd and 2/3rds centres) with heads cut off just under the top of the load - a big magnet lifts the load out. The coal was glued onto its palette on the bench, not in the wagon, with crude card shuttering faced with cling film.  Obviously, load removal doesn't work with the wagon still on the tracks. I don't have internal ironwork/detail to complicate things but as time goes on (and I read more of your posts in this thread  Nick), I think it would be good to have some internal detail so I might re-visit these ideas. 

 

 

 

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Using the screws to allow a magnet to get the load out is a nice idea. So far with coal loads I have fixed them permanently, and my plan is to have equally as many full and empty wagons - not the same wagon modelled twice, but corresponding pairs to represent types and traffic routes. So there will be 4 PO wagons for the local coal merchant, 2 full and 2 empty, and ditto for South Wales colliery wagons, and ditto again for loco coal. Luckily I like building wagons!

 

Over time, the importance of interior detailing - when visible - has grown for me. Especially since we tend to view from above, it seems strange to pay a lot of attention to the outside of a wagon, and leave the inside with little or no detail at all. It does add to the work, but as I say, I like building wagons…

 

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The magnet idea also appealed to me.

 

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But then came the roping, so that was that. I'll want to try it again on other loads though.

 

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3 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

But then came the roping, so that was that. 

 

The wagon and the load are one.

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But sometimes I may want an empty wagon, or a different load. You know, like on the railway 🙂

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11 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

The wagon and the load are one.


Ah - the metaphysics of modelling! Certainly, the more I read the rule book on correct loading of wagons, and want to replicate those practices in my models, the more I realise there are very few loads that can be made removable. Almost all loads are roped, scotched, sheeted, chained or otherwise firmly attached to the wagon, with the exception of bulk loads such as coal, sand, and so on. The bricks in this wagon are unusual, in that they are individual objects that can be stacked, and don’t need to be constrained or covered, and so are potentially removable.

 

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10 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

But sometimes I may want an empty wagon, or a different load. You know, like on the railway 🙂


Sure - so you make another wagon. You like making wagons, so it’s all good!

 

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11 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

But sometimes I may want an empty wagon, or a different load. You know, like on the railway 🙂

 

There's a lot to be said for modelling vans...

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All this does make me wonder, though, how many empty wagons I should have. At the moment my planned wagon fleet has a couple of empties on the list, one of which will be a spacer wagon for an overhanging timber load, but is that enough? Assuming there is a balance of traffic (possibly true for my port setting, perhaps less likely at a branch terminus) then general merchandise wagons can be utilised in both directions, and so spend most of their time loaded. And of course, sheets hide what is going on - including loads of spare sheets, as discussed elsewhere recently.

 

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16 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

There's a lot to be said for modelling vans...


But -

1. For a pre-grouping layout, you shouldn’t have too many, and,

2. Where is the fun in that?

 

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5 minutes ago, magmouse said:

1. For a pre-grouping layout, you shouldn’t have too many

 

Which begs the question how many wagons is too many!

 

6 minutes ago, magmouse said:

2. Where is the fun in that?

 

Have you seen the one with working sliding door that @Tricky has built?

 

Then there's poseable roof hatches, of the sliding and rolling varieties...

 

The possibilities in the senior scale are numerous! 

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12 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

Have you seen the one with working sliding door that @Tricky has built?

 

Then there's poseable roof hatches, of the sliding and rolling varieties...

 

The possibilities in the senior scale are numerous! 

 

I haven't seen Tricky's one - I'll have to look that up. And yes, the recent consideration of roof hatches on your D299 thread caught my eye. I have on my list LNWR and SER vans to bring bottled beer from Burton on Trent and Canterbury - they are a thirsty lot in Netherport.

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