RMweb Gold RFS Posted March 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2016 Next Monday (March 7th) there's a 30-minute program called "Return of the Flying Scotsman" on BBC4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I wonder if they'll ever do any name swaps to remember long scrapped classmates? Sandwich would be a good one I think. That would need the dia107 (A4) boiler to be put back on! The Nim. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2016 That would need the dia107 (A4) boiler to be put back on! The Nim. Nahh. That sort of detail only matters in 4mm scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43110andyb Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Well said, my first fatal accident (suicide) was at Water Orton in 1966, aged just 18. Cleaning the pieces out of a Facing Point Lock is not fun. My second was Stechford in 1967. I still see the image of the underside of an overturned AM4 vividly in my dreams some nights. Fully understand your thoughts on the matter and recollection/flashbacks, people who trespass have no idea of the trauma that can be caused!!! I will never forget an incident we attended at Northallerton several years ago, report of a loss of red aspect for the Bi-Di signal on platform 2. We attended as fault team on duty for a routine failure, what we found was anything but. TPWS modules showed an OSS (over speed sensor) fault causing the loss of red aspect, as we approached the on track equipment from the far end of the station we came across a horrendous scene of a suicide- a woman had leapt in front of a north bound coal train and damage to the TPWS grids on track had occurred. BT police were on scene and we unwillingly observed scenes that will never leave me. Some of these folk who wander onto the track should be aware of what can happen and that there's no second chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Getting back to the loco, what's wrong with the whistle? It sounds awful An ECML tradition continued into the diesel era. I love Deltics, but those horns...Any flatulent elephants in zoo's alongside the line must've been doing their nut! And now, we return to the topic at hand, rural bus services...no hang on, that's something to do with Hornby's fiscal performance. Apparently. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 3, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 3, 2016 I know what you mean,after the chime of the A4 I'm always surprised BR didn't do anything special with deltic horns. The 91 got a 3 tone sort of chime but the deltics should have had something better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 3, 2016 I know what you mean,after the chime of the A4 I'm always surprised BR didn't do anything special with deltic horns. The 91 got a 3 tone sort of chime but the deltics should have had something better perhaps they thought the engine noise was good enough and forgot about the horns? P 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 perhaps they thought the engine noise was good enough and forgot about the horns? P You mean all the rattles and bangs as bits fell off!!?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 https://mobile.twitter.com/BTPNorthEast/status/706845618992500737 You have been warned, BTP are actively patrolling the route this Thursday, don't be stupid, the fences are there for a reason. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Next Monday (March 7th) there's a 30-minute program called "Return of the Flying Scotsman" on BBC4. I thought it was rather good. The usual errors re train and locomotive, but well researched, in respect of the interviews, with not only the people involved with the current restoration, but those involved in former times. Coupled with more coverage on the London area programme it was a good evening. I liked the point about the three classic trains all running at the same time for the first time in many a long year. The section on painting the locomotive I found to be of particular interest. Ditch the air brush and transfers and do it properly. How many modellers could replicate that sort of finish by hand? The general positive attitude of all involved made the arguments over the money spent seem rather pointless. The crowds at all points of the KX -York run and the trials were unbelievable. I did wonder that Hornby seem to have missed a trick. Having suitable merchandise available could have solved all their financial problems at a stroke. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 8, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Just as a matter of interest (I've not yet seen the reincarnated FS in action) is the whistle really that weedy or did the BBC tone it down to avoid startling viewers? John Edited March 8, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Brit70053 Posted March 8, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8, 2016 Just as a matter of interest (I've not yet seen the reincarnated FS in action) is the whistle really that weedy or did the BBC tone it down to avoid startling viewers? John So far as I can recall and am aware, yes, the whistle has always had that strangled note and been criticised as the big 'let down' of the locomotive. I recall a late friend expressing the wish that they'd "do something about that pathetic screech" way back in the late 1970s (and he was the ultimate Gresley fan). Of course the NRM's insistence on historical integrity will have a bearing on those fixtures and fittings where modern day regulation leaves them that option. Regards, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 8, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2016 How about a two tone horn? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Just as a matter of interest (I've not yet seen the reincarnated FS in action) is the whistle really that weedy or did the BBC tone it down to avoid startling viewers? John http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/103992-flying-scotsman-back-on-the-mainline-2016/page-22&do=findComment&comment=2218576 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) I watched it last night and enjoyed it, and as Bernard says the part about the repainting process was very well covered. Looking at the brushwork and skill involved you can see just how much work went into the job back in the day when 60103 and its cohorts were still regulars in and out of KX, and just how good BR lined green looks on the East Coast Pacifics. Some of the in cab footage was beautiful too. Edited March 8, 2016 by Rugd1022 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 45156 Posted March 8, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8, 2016 just how good BR lined green looks on the East Coast Pacifics. It looked pretty good on the West Coast Pacifics too - all of the Scottish Duchesses carried it, and it looked good there as well. Ducks below parapet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted March 8, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2016 It looked pretty good on the West Coast Pacifics too - all of the Scottish Duchesses carried it, and it looked good there as well. Ducks below parapet. You and me both...I suppose that it's because it's how I remember the A3s et al at KingsX in my spotting (and spotty) days. I too always thought that the West Coast stuff looked really good in green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 8, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2016 . Some of the in cab footage was beautiful too. Apart from the bit on East Lancashire where Riley was talking to the camera and none of the other three were looking out while the loco was running tender first. Something that always irritates me, film crews shouldn't really interview drivers while driving and the amount of times on TV shows when drivers are being interviewed they look at the camera rather than the road ahead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Just to change the subject slightly here, i have all the documentation for Scotsman at the NYMR in front of me, don't forget that the NYMR have a service contract with the BTP, and the BTP are planning on being around next week whilst Scotsman is running as well as whilst it is working to/from Grosmont. There are LOADS of great spots for taking photos on the right side of the boundary fence (if you aren't sure PM me and I'll give you some of the better ones), if you do decide to go where you shouldn't (even on a preserved railway) you might get a really nasty surprise. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2016 I spent last Friday afternoon sitting in the box at Weybourne. It was the NNR gala and they still sell lineside passes. But I said to my mate who is a director that these should be stopped. There were idiots all over and because they had a yellow vest even God was answerable to them! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted March 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2016 I spent last Friday afternoon sitting in the box at Weybourne. It was the NNR gala and they still sell lineside passes. But I said to my mate who is a director that these should be stopped. There were idiots all over and because they had a yellow vest even God was answerable to them! After a few incidents over the years we don't sell them on the Mid Hants. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Sadly there are many people who, whether they have a high-vis vest or not, feel they are above the law. The Great Central decided to police the line during special events to check passes etc. You get idiots everywhere and, it seems, there were plenty out in force during Scotman's official inaugural run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Does anybody else remember a TV advert in the 1960s about the dangers of trespassing on the railway, which started "Let's face it, you either like trains, or you don't, and if you do, then there may no lengths that you wouldn't go to to get a closer look", and ended with the image of a dead boy lying in the four foot, with a model aircraft stuck in the 25KV OHLE, and the words "trespassers will be prosecuted, but there are some who can't be". That sort of thing was probably very effective, but sadly, I suspect that you wouldn't be allowed to broadcast something like it these days, for fear of being sued for 'traumatising' folk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2016 After a few incidents over the years we don't sell them on the Mid Hants. Thats probably best as from the modest income from them would be completely insignificant compared to a potential law suit in the event of an incident. This would be irrespective of whether it says at your own risk on the pass. A few years ago a car hit a spectator on a rally stage at Scarborough. On your ticket and on signs everywhere it says 'motorsport is dangerous you watch at your own risk' but this didn't stop the spectator suing the driver and the organisers. I don't know the result Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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